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Originally posted by Banshee
<font color=blue>Hi Edufer, nice to see a person from Argentina at the Sci Forums, welcome.
<I>So in your country temperatures are no good either? It doesn't belong to be so cool in this time of year?</I></font>
Temperatures are good, but they have not been the high ones we usually had in past decades. It has been cooling down (in the high range), but that probably is due to an increase in humidity in our microclima at the center of Argentina. As I posted before, the erection of big dams in the southwest and big dams in the northeast (Yaciretá and Itaipú in Brazil), right in the axis of prevailing winds SW-->NE (cold and humid now) and NE-->SW (warm and extremely humid now), buffers the extreme temperatures, so we have not the high temps of past decades. This would also buffer the cold ones, but unfortunately this is not the case, as every year in record seem to be colder than the previous. This last winter we had the worst snow blizzards in history, with thousand of trucks getting blocked in the Patagonia and the Andes Cordillera pass to Chile. So here we might be seeing a "smoking gun" of a incoming cooling --not an Ice Age, but a cooling trend in the Southern Hemisphere.
<font color=blue><I>I do not agree with your point that we go back to medieval temperatures, it is not so.</I></font>
Depends on which Medieval temperatures. Certainly not the <b>Medieval Little Ice Age</b> of 1250 to 1850, but I hope we could get at the <b>Medieval Climate Optimum</B> of 800 - 1250 AD, <b><font color=red>when the global media was 2°C higher than today.</font></B> Ever wondered why climatologists call that era the "Climatic Optimum"? Because those are the best temperatures suitable for human, animal and vegetal life on Earth. The conditions set by those temperatures allowed the coming of the Renaissance and a boom of human activity all over the world.
Then came a severe cooling (caused by the Maunder and Spoerer Minima of solar activity) that sunk humanity into the Dark Ages. All kinds of calamities happened then, from the Black Plague to the Holy Inquisition, extended famines and depopulatin of the northern areas in Europe. People didn´t like it cold. Not then, not today.
<font color=blue><I>Through the ages, the Earths crust moved, slowly and not noticable, but Earth moved. The Poles are on another degrees of longitude and latitude these days. That happens through the years. So it comes that even the meridian is moved. The degrees of longitude and latitude change every day a very, very little, you can't even notice it, so slowly. But it happens. And through the ages, land moved with Earth, but not at the same 'speed', you see.</I></font>
I am aware of the tectonic movements, and the shift of Earth axis, the slight change in the precession of the equinoxes, changes in the magnetic field, etc. But this has been happening so slowly --at geological scale-- that has been barely noticeable during the past 10,000 years. Since then we came out of the last glaciation and went into the Holocen. Now we are getting close to the end of the Holocene and back into a new glacial era. Milantkovitch proved that in the thirties, and until now that seems to be the "sacred words" for climatologists. Human activities have nothing to do with any increase in global temperatures. As much man can be "destroying" the environment, assuming we can alter Earth climate is an expression of arrogancy from our part.
About the rest you tell me, I find you seem to be a sensible person worried about all the catastrophes "perceived" and denounced by enviromental groups. There is little we can discuss here, when emotion prevail over science and verified evidence. <b>Perception</B> is quite different from <b>observation</B>, and as science (or "knowledge") is based fundamentally in repeated observation of events, emotional arguments can not be tested against verified facts. There is no ground for comparison. Apples and horses...
<font color=blue><i>The mess people leave behind. There are ashtrays there to throw your garbage in. But no. Why? Lets throw it in the woods. Plastic bags, everything. I hate it, humans acting like nothing cares but they themselves. And you go on thinking that it is not so bad. It is bad, look and listen...
Maybe then, you people will understand what I mean.</I></font>
I understand very well how you feel and what you mean. I share your contempt for careless people throwing garbage everywhere. But that is a matter of education. Children must be taught to keep a clean bedroom, a clean kitchen, a clean environment. We must teach children sciences and philosophy, we must teach children <b>how to LEARN</B>, how to use their brains effectively, and not how to hug a tree or kiss a whale every morning. If we want mankind, the human species, to survive on this planet we must act intelligently, and try to better ourselves in all possible manners, materially and spiritually. Quite a task!
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