Global Cooling Is Here!

madanthonywayne

madanthonywayne

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I recently started a thread predicting that decreased solar activity would soon cause decreased temperatures across the globe.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=77459
Many people asked:
Asguard said:
mad ok your theorising that we are entering a cooling phase

When do you predict this cooling should have\will start?
So I ask again when should we be expecting this cold spell to come into effect?
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Well, apparently, it's here. Recent data shows that the entire increase in average global temperature over the past century has been wiped out in one year!
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Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news
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http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
So there you go. All the horrible damage inflicted by CO2 output wiped out in one year. ONE YEAR! I seem to recall someone saying that the increase in average global temperature of about 1 degree over one hundred years was unheard of. But we now have almost the same change in just a year.

If this trend holds (let's pray it doesn't, because a new ice age would be a real problem, as opposed the the bullshit global warming hysteria), will environmentalists be begging us to drive big SUV's to help increase the temperature and forstall an iceage? Will we begin bragging about our giant carbon footprints?

I doubt it. The point always was that the global temperature is BEYOND OUR CONTROL!
 
let's add this

...And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature....
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But don't expect that drivings will help. The whole point is that the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere has very little effect on climate.
 
The past 4 winters here in Key West have been the hottest on record, so send in the coolness please!! :cool:
 
wow i was always told by many global warming causes global cooling,its like the earth is trying to rid its own problem by going through changes
 
clusteringflux said:
Well, so is fifty if the earth has been here for billions of years.
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You can't actually believe what you are saying, can you?
Please tell me you are joking or just grasping at straws and not making such a ridiculously absurd statement with any bit of seriousness and honesty.

While fifty years of data has very little effect on the billions of years of history the earth has been around, it very well could indicate a trend that will last for thousands of years.
Again, thousands of years is still a drop in the bucket when considering the age of the planet, the entire human population could be wiped out in a trend that only lasts a few hundred.

What could the age of the earth possibly have anything to do with global weather patterns and trends?
 
spidergoat said:
One year is obviously worthless for refuting a global trend.
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The fact that in the past year we've seen the largest temperature change over a one year period ever recorded does seem significant. Furthermore. lets measure the temperature over the past hundred years and end on this year. it will show no increase.

Part of the point is that one degree isn't that big of a deal. I've always felt that a one degree change over 100 years was the temperature pretty much staying the same. As we've just seen, an entire century's worth of warming can be wiped out in one year.

The temperature goes up, it comes down. My Suburban has no effect on that either way. This temperature change was predicted by the decrease in solar activity. Is there anything that explains it (much less predicted it) in terms of changes in CO2 levels?
 
one_raven said:
You can't actually believe what you are saying, can you?
Please tell me you are joking or just grasping at straws and not making such a ridiculously absurd statement with any bit of seriousness and honesty.

While fifty years of data has very little effect on the billions of years of history the earth has been around, it very well could indicate a trend that will last for thousands of years.
Again, thousands of years is still a drop in the bucket when considering the age of the planet, the entire human population could be wiped out in a trend that only lasts a few hundred.

What could the age of the earth possibly have anything to do with global weather patterns and trends?
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Raven, do you think humans caused this cooling? If it continues should we try to stop it?
 
madanthonywayne said:
The fact that in the past year we've seen the largest temperature change over a one year period ever recorded does seem significant. Furthermore. lets measure the temperature over the past hundred years and end on this year. it will show no increase.

Part of the point is that one degree isn't that big of a deal. I've always felt that a one degree change over 100 years was the temperature pretty much staying the same. As we've just seen, an entire century's worth of warming can be wiped out in one year.

The temperature goes up, it comes down. My Suburban has no effect on that either way. This temperature change was predicted by the decrease in solar activity. Is there anything that explains it (much less predicted it) in terms of changes in CO2 levels?
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99% of all climate scientists would disagree with you. What caused our climate to be as it is now, relatively cool with massive ice caps? It was the plants sequestering carbon in their structures and being buried away in the Earth's crust. Now we are freeing all that carbon into the atmosphere again, so we can expect a return to conditions much less tolerable to modern life forms. 1 degree is a huge trend, already this has led to acidification of the oceans, the deaths of ancient coral reefs, invasive species. You have to stop listening to the industries that profit from the status quo, they are killing us.
 
clusteringflux said:
Raven, do you think humans caused this cooling? If it continues should we try to stop it?
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I think it doesn't matter who caused it.
I think that we certainly contribute to it.
I also don't think that it is a matter of stopping it - rather a matter of acknowledging that we contribute to it, and looking at the situation outside the political spectrum.

I think that the Global Wariming issue becoming a political one is the worst thing that could have happened, because it has ended up serving as a red herring.

"See, look! Global Warming is false, therefore we do not need to cut emissions or pollution."

This is why I refrain from debating the issue any more. It is moot at best and detrimental at worst.

When, in reality, the pollution causes great devistation, loss of life, loss of habitat, grossly reduced quality of life and many other problems that have nothing at all to do with Global Warming.
I think people should shut the fuck up about Global Warming on both sides and deal with the actual situation at hand - we are poisoning ourselves, other animals and the environment and it is out of control.

Drop the red herring of proof of the existence or non existence of Global Warming and make drastic changes to how we manufacture and do business or we will all pay the price - regardless of Global Warming.

Being human we have the unique ability to intentionally drastically alter our environment on a rapid and wide scale.
It's about fucking time we took that great responsibility seriously and with a grain of humility, as opposed to the arrogance we have been wielding it with since the Industrial Evolution.

I think it's about time we started acting as custodians of this planet rather than parasites.

What do YOU think?
 
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We have to repeat ourselves again: nobody has ever claimed that the solar cycles and other drivers of past fluctuations have stopped or will have no effect. Everyone, even Al Gore, predicts the yearly temperatures will go up and down, CO2 or no CO2.

OP said:
record cold in Minnesota,
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That's one I can check immediately: it's false.

Just the opposite report, actually: this year the temp records in Minnesota were extended backwards further into the 1800s, which added a lot of cold records and no warm ones. Despite the cooling solar cycles, winters in Minnesota (including this one) are warmer now than they were then.

We've had a slightly colder winter this year than the thirty year average - (note the recent warming is factored into that average).
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For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
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One of the major predictions of the Global Warming alarmists was larger and faster temperature swings over continent-sized areas, and dramatic large scale weather events powered by the extra heat energy trapped in the lower atmosphere and surface waters etc.

Even dramatic and disproportionate cooling is predicted, in some places - such as from extra snow in cold, dry regions (from the extra water vapor of increased evaporation), increased snow cover and consequent colder winter days.
 
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