gender views cause of incel.

[ToR original]

People who have low sex-drives don't rape.

They do actually, they will use an implement for the sexual violence and most likely kill their victim - see serial killers and impotence

 

[gamelord]

why are you posting photo shopped pictures of naked women with children with cancer ?

It was a random pic I found on google of a whiny baby. But feel free to go on another negative emotional tirade like a typical human.

 

[ToR original]

Why is it that males rape often, but females don't?

Women do commit acts of sexual violence, you either hear of it less or it is less common. As an act of violence, women are generally less violent.

 

[gamelord]

They do actually, they will use an implement for the sexual violence and most likely kill their victim - see serial killers and impotence

I am talking about actual rape, not weird serial killers which are not the norm. Serial killers are abnormal people, outliers, not the norm.

 

[ToR original]

Women do commit acts of sexual violence, you either hear of it less or it is less common. As an act of violence, women are generally less violent.

Also 'males do NOT rape often' it happens 'rarely' in civilised society.

 

[ToR original]

I am talking about actual rape, not weird serial killers which are not the norm. Serial killers are abnormal people, outliers, not the norm.

Rapists (in civilised society) are also not the norm. Normal is defined by something occurring more often than not. Rape does not happen more often than it does not. Most men are not rapists. Most men do not rape.

 

[ToR original]

I have found when people try to 'make an abnormal thing normal' it is because they've committed this 'abnormal' act (or thinking of doing so or wanting to do so) and they're trying to alleviate their guilt or they're frustrated that their abnormal behavior is considered abnormal. Hence when compared to something THEY consider abnormal (serial killer) they fail to see the connection as they do not relate to serial killers, only (in this case) rapists.

Regardless rape is not 'normal' ... as per the definition of the word 'normal'.

Paedophiles are 'like this'. They largely believe they're normal (some do not and seek treatment before they offend) but they will find like minded friends and try to promote the 'normality' of their perversion. It however remains abnormal.

May I suggest if you (or others reading this) wish to rape that you seek treatment.... immediately as it is NOT normal. You're basing 'normal' on how 'you' feel, but how 'you' feel is not how the majority 'feel'. Hence NOT normal.

Also a serious, heinous, despicable crime .. lets not forget that.

 

[gamelord]

Says the one posting images of poo and whining about how he "needs sex" and blaming women for not getting any, while ignoring the fact that his tantrum throwing about women, his blaming women for rape is why he isn't getting any sex to begin with.

Not to mention the fact that you are defending "incel" culture, that has been proven to be inherently dangerous to the lives of women in general.

Another lie, I never defended incel culture, I simply said involuntary celibate stands for incel, and that not all involuntary cebs stand for incel culture.

Has it escaped your notice that people responding to you are doing so honestly?

That we are genuinely and honestly repulsed by your comments on this site?

In your human perception you believe yourself to be in the right, just like humans typically do.

You started this thread to abuse and insult women. This entire thread was started with the specific intent of harming women by defending a group of entitled men who see fit to believe that threatening, harming and killing women is acceptable because they want sex. Remember, you are the one who came out with:

I started this thread to give men rights to dress in womens clothes and have gender equality. You started this thread to insult and abuse me.

Your mathematics amounts to 1+1=23.

In other words, you are completely wrong.

Funny because that's how I see this post of yours.

Lack of sex is not the driving force behind rape or why men rape.

The greater majority of men who rape are already in relationships and are sexually active in those relationships.

Rape is about power and control and humiliation. Sex is simply a tool to achieve said power, control and allow the rapist to humiliate their victim.

Your ridiculous assertion also ignores the fact that children are also raped, as are men. Do you think a man who rapes a child is raping because children simply aren't giving him the sex he thinks he needs? Because you are essentially arguing that rape happens because men don't get enough sex.

It would really help if you stepped away from the dangerous rape myths you have been peddling in this thread and actually learned about the subject.

I went to that website. They say unfacts and fallacies like this
"Rape is just a way of gaining power – not a way of gaining sexual relief."
Surely rape could be both, a way of gaining power and sexual relief?

And then they simply state that "Men who rape are as likely as any other man to be cohabiting or having a significant relationship with a woman."
No citations, they just say it like gospel.
So where are the facts? I'm supposed to believe it just because that website says so? When that same website just litterally posted a fallacy right above it?

You openly advocated that women hate rape because they view sex as being disgusting. That rape is simply disgusting, while completely ignoring and arguing against the fact that rape constitutes a gross violation over one's autonomy and body.

So does forcing kids to go to school, but we don't call teachers and the government pedophiles do we?
Why is rape traumatizing? Because it is disgusting.

Why don't take a look at it objectively and clear your mind of built up bias.

By putting it down to just being "disgusting" and blaming victims of rape because you argued that men rape because women don't 'give them enough sex', you diminish it, you diminish the absolute trauma (physical and psychological) it causes to victims. Trauma they never really ever fully recover from. It is always there, no matter how much one claims to have moved on, it's still there.

In your twisted perception that's how you want to see it.

You openly advocated rape when you declared that the only way for women to have sex is to get the women drunk. That is out and out rape advocacy and goddamn dangerous at that.

Again, another twisted perception. I was saying that the common way for women to get in the mood for sex is usually when they are in an altered state of mind. But go ahead and go on some tangent about how it is rape. It is founded on the fallacy that the sober state of mind is a moral state of mind, and anything that is an altered state of mind is inherently immoral, that is how this frame of mind begins, its akin to prohibitionist fallacy.

You literally argued that men can get sex from women if they get them intoxicated enough so that they can no longer consent to sex. This is open advocacy of rape.

Again, in your twisted perception. But I said nothing of the sort actually, I was saying that women get in the mood for sex when they are in an altered state of mind. Any reasonable human who was born yesterday knows that buying a woman a drink and getting her in the mood, is completely different from getting her so drunk she can't move, dragging her into a car and date-raping her. But I guess I'm not dealing with common human beings, but people off on another planet somewhere.

It is not about sexual frustration. It is not about lack of sex. Rape does not happen because women don't 'give men sex'. Your arguments amount to victim shaming and blaming.

Has nothing to do with victim shaming or blaming.
Don't you understand that I don't care? If a feminist woman goes into a home alone with a strange man, and she gets raped, that's her problem. Being a feminist, preaching about how women get raped, obviously she could have injected herself into it and thought maybe she could get raped. You seem to inject emotional bias again. I do not feel emotional about it. It's like, if a sheep gets eaten by a lion, I do not blame the sheep or victim-blame the sheep, I simply do not care. I simply state the obvious facts: That if you go home alone with a strange man, there is a chance of being raped. I do not say this is morally right or wrong, I simply state, if a sheep walks into the woods, and gets eaten by a lion, there is a chance they can get eaten. Do you understand the difference? I dont have emotional bias, I dont blame or shame the sheep, I do not have animosty towards the sheep, I simply do not care.

Can you please stop diminishing it as such? Can you please stop blaming victims of rape and sexual assault for the gross violations we endured?

Again, if a sheep gets eaten by a lion, I do not really shame or blame the sheep, i simply objectively list the cause and effect of why that it occured.

You are perpetuating a myth that exists with the sole intention of blaming and shaming victims of rape. It is not only wrong, it is dangerous and deadly.

Please stop doing it.

You keep perpetuating a society of emotional bias, twisted perceptions, and lack of objective discussion.

There is an expectation that you not act like a misogynistic tool, just as there is an expectation that you not advocate dangerous ideology that sees women killed on a daily basis around the world.

If anything I could say your ideology is dangerous to women. I simply state the obvious, that women should not be suprised if they enter a man's house alone. And then you go on some emotional tirade saying you are empowering women, like I think it is your philosophy which is dangerous to women, its like someone going into a self-defense class and telling the self-defense instructor that war and weapons are evil and dangerous to humanity.

He closed it because you are simply using this website to spread dangerous myths against women. Myths that result in women being raped and murdered.

Again that seems more up your alley than mine.

We aren't biased against you.

You very much are so.

From my perspective, you are a dangerous individual who should not be given a soap box. You need the kind of help that we are not equipped to give you.

And you expect me to believe you aren't biased against me. Laugh.

Going on Trump like rants is not to your benefit. Behaving as you have been behaving is not going to endear you to anyone.

And neither is going to church and criticizing the illogic of the bible, in this case your church and your bible.

 

[gamelord]

Rapists (in civilised society) are also not the norm. Normal is defined by something occurring more often than not. Rape does not happen more often than it does not. Most men are not rapists. Most men do not rape.

Most of the people seem to say rape is the norm, as they post stats saying 1 out of 4 women get raped.

I didn't post these stats, and it's besides the point, I never said rapists were the norm, I simply said SERIAL KILLERS were not the norm in relation to rapists.

 

[ToR original]

Gamelord have you ever been in a normal se

Most of the people seem to say rape is the norm, as they post stats saying 1 out of 4 women get raped.

I didn't post these stats, and it's besides the point, I never said rapists were the norm, I simply said SERIAL KILLERS were not the norm in relation to rapists.

1 out of 4 means it is NOT the norm, NORMAL is the majority NOT the minority. Thus 75% of women NOT being raped is the NORM. Ie Women are mainly NOT raped. Men are mainly NOT rapists.

Meanwhile if those 25% of women being raped were all raped by the same one man ....

Thus 25% of women being raped does not at all mean 25% of men are rapists but if it did it (as it is the minority %) would mean it is NOT the norm.

Please grab a dictionary and look up the definition of the word normal. I can't keep explaining it.

 

[ToR original]

Most of the people seem to say rape is the norm, as they post stats saying 1 out of 4 women get raped.

I didn't post these stats, and it's besides the point, I never said rapists were the norm, I simply said SERIAL KILLERS were not the norm in relation to rapists.

Often killers (sexual ones) start with lesser crimes. They move on to kill so their victim cannot talk. Not necessarily because they like or want to kill. They did however like and want to rape. Thus rape was the motivator not the act of killing. The desire to rape being the 'abnormal' trait.

 

[gamelord]

Gamelord have you ever been in a normal se


1 out of 4 means it is NOT the norm, NORMAL is the majority NOT the minority. Thus 75% of women NOT being raped is the NORM.

Meanwhile if those 25% women were being raped were all raped by the same one man ....

Thus 25% of women being raped does not at all mean 25% of men are rapists but if it did it (as it is the minority %) would mean it is NOT the norm.

Please grab a dictionary and look up the definition of the word normal. I can't keep explaining it.

That's not what normal means, normal means just a sizeable chunk of the population.

What you are thinking of is CEO's and business ownership, which is 51% exactly.

For example, if 25% of boys like the color green, it is normal for boys to like green.

Second, I never said RAPISTS were normal, I said 1 out of 4 women getting raped was the norm.

Again, they posted these stats not me. Last year the stats said 1 out of 6, so either rape is getting more common or the stats are doctored.

He closed it because you are simply using this website to spread dangerous myths against women. Myths that result in women being raped and murdered.

I thought Tiassa was a she.

 

[gamelord]

Often killers (sexual ones) start with lesser crimes. They move on to kill so their victim cannot talk. Not necessarily because they like or want to kill. They did however like and want to rape. Thus rape was the motivator not the act of killing. The desire to rape being the 'abnormal' trait.

If what you are saying was true, then the stat that 1 out of 4 college women getting raped is false.

Because that would mean that 1 out 4 college women are murdered, which is demonstrably false.

So either the first stat is true, and that rapists killing their prey is simply very uncommon.
Or the first stat is false, and rapists killing their prey is very common.

 

[ToR original]

That's not what normal means, normal means just a sizeable chunk of the population.

Nope it means what the 'majority' is, the expected, the usual, the typical.

Rape is not expected, it is not usual and it is not typical and therefore NOT normal.

Get your head around the word 'normal' and you'll see why you're argument is flawed (and offensive).

 

[gamelord]

Nope it means what the 'majority' is, the expected, the usual, the typical.

Rape is not expected, it is not usual and it is not typical and therefore NOT normal.

Get your head around the word 'normal' and you'll see why you're argument is flawed (and offensive).

If the stat that 1 out of 4 women getting raped is true, the that seems a pretty common and typical occurence.

If the stat, I daresay is not true, that could explain a lot of things, such as the notion that rape is an abnormal occurence.

Here's an example to help you understand.

If I say death in war is normal, that doesn't mean that the majority of troops will certainly die.

Second, let me make this clear. I never said rape is normal, it is they who implied rape is a regular occurence when they posted that 1 out of 4 college women get raped.

 

[ToR original]

If what you are saying was true, then the stat that 1 out of 4 college women getting raped is false.

Because that would mean that 1 out 4 college women are murdered, which is demonstrably false.

So either the first stat is true, and that rapists killing their prey is simply very uncommon.
Or the first stat is false, and rapists killing their prey is very common.

Not all rapists become killers only those who are likely to rape 'often' as the more 'often' they do it the more likely they are to be caught. Some rapists can hide behind power and celebrity ..hence no reason to kill. Some rapists rape those who cannot 'speak' hence no need to kill. So not all rapists are killers, they don't 'need' to be. But if you took away their protections, you'd find a greater number of deaths (I'm speculating). There are of course those who kill for killing sake, how are they better or worse than serial rapists? They're not. They just think they are.

 

[gamelord]

Not all rapists become killers only those who are likely to rape 'often' as the more 'often' they do it the more likely they are to be caught. Some rapists can hide behind power and celebrity ..another reason to have no need to kill. Some rapists rape thise who cannot 'speak' hence no need to kill. So not all rapists are killers, they don't 'need' to be. But if you took away their protections, you'd find a great number of deaths (I'm speculating).

Well at least you admit you are speculating, which is more than can be asked of the other members of this thread.

 

[ToR original]

Second, let me make this clear. I never said rape is normal, it is they who implied rape is a regular occurence when they posted that 1 out of 4 college women get raped.

You shouldn't say it is 'normal' unless it is the majority end result.
In current wars - death for soldiers is NOT normal which is why the media is able to publish the details of every single one.

 

[ToR original]

Well at least you admit you are speculating, which is more than can be asked of the other members of this thread.

Of course, I'm trying to be fair and get you to move away from 'defensive' to seeing the bigger ..more realistic picture. It's ok to accept defeat It's a learning environment afterall.

 

[gamelord]

You shouldn't say it is 'normal' unless it is the majority end result.
In current wars - death for soldiers is NOT normal which is why the media is able to publish the details of every single one.

You and I just have different definitions of normal. I don't adhere to the 50% definition.

In current wars only about 1% of soldiers die. But I wasn't referring to only current wars.

Another example: It is normal for teens to be angsty.
But does that mean exactly over 50% of teens are angsty?

Again let me make this clear. I never said rape is normal, it is the others in this thread who implied rape is a regular occurence when they posted that 1 out of 4 college women get raped.