I don't work there anymore: I refused to cheer in there pep rallies. fucking monopoly brainwashing cult. But by the way that’s a very nice ad hominem.
Gendanken's Banning
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This is an interesting thread. It's really a lot of paranoia, whining and flames. The passive aggressive meter is at... a lot.
It's ironic that the thread is still open, despite the cursing and general mal aire towards everyone. Is this subtle machinations or nothing very left-handed? eh?
It's ironic that the thread is still open, despite the cursing and general mal aire towards everyone. Is this subtle machinations or nothing very left-handed? eh?
And when he comes to the end of his rationality he begins to accuse one of being a dog. Or a bot. STrange. Aren't those insults?
Not even making sense? Another insult.
I've made the same sense through this whole thread. You refuse to even think about any of the points I have mentioned. They have failed to enter your consciousness for even the briefest of moments. You quote some rules that don't pertain to the topic then claim that they are interpreted to cover it anyway, thus proving my point that the rules are arbitrary.
Then you begin to threaten me with this slippery slope nonsense. I asky you why and you say that I'm not making sense.
If this is your idea of debate then I can guess what your grades in school were.
How much is Wal Mart paying these days?
Gend,
Damocle's Sword? Isn't that about flattery? If I was flattering him then the sword would fall and cut me? It seems to be a different sword that hangs above me. One that reacts only to the questioning of the party line.
Stalin's Sword?
Not even making sense? Another insult.
I've made the same sense through this whole thread. You refuse to even think about any of the points I have mentioned. They have failed to enter your consciousness for even the briefest of moments. You quote some rules that don't pertain to the topic then claim that they are interpreted to cover it anyway, thus proving my point that the rules are arbitrary.
Then you begin to threaten me with this slippery slope nonsense. I asky you why and you say that I'm not making sense.
If this is your idea of debate then I can guess what your grades in school were.
How much is Wal Mart paying these days?
Gend,
Damocle's Sword? Isn't that about flattery? If I was flattering him then the sword would fall and cut me? It seems to be a different sword that hangs above me. One that reacts only to the questioning of the party line.
Stalin's Sword?
Roman
Hey James R likes it, this thread must give him a good laugh.
Hey James R likes it, this thread must give him a good laugh.
WCF said:
Heh heh. I did some renovation work on a Sam's Club one time. Funniest thing I ever saw when those idiots were doing their company brainwashing thing. Morons.
Since you no longer work there then this obviously doesn't apply to you so don't even try.Roman said:
Do you even have a clue what passive aggressive is? Did you just pick the word out of my earlier post and thought it would sound cool if you used it in a sentence? Passive aggression is aggression that can be denied. Seems to me that all the aggression in this thread is on the table.
Oh. And such a "wonderful" rebuttal you have made about the topics at hand. You've dashed my arguments to the ground in a single fell swoop. You sir are a top-notch debatesman.
(Sarcasm not passive aggression.)
1. If you understood what I meant about Ad Hominem Tu Quoque, you would not be saying everything I said is a insult as you would realize it has no relevance what anyone says or does other then Gendanken. If anyone else “insults” and is not punished for it that does not mean Gendanken was not wrong to do what he did or should not have gotten punished for it. Hypocrisy is not a valid counter argument!… why am I explaining this to you again? I explained this many time now and it has not sunk in.
2. A slippery slope is… ah fuck it try google you can’t seem to understand me as is perhaps looking up ”fallacy” and “slippery slope”, “ad hominem”, “ad hominem tu Quoque” with a philosopher explaining to you what a logical argument is will work.
2. A slippery slope is… ah fuck it try google you can’t seem to understand me as is perhaps looking up ”fallacy” and “slippery slope”, “ad hominem”, “ad hominem tu Quoque” with a philosopher explaining to you what a logical argument is will work.
For one. Again you use he when relating to Gendanken although it has been pointed out to you not an hour ago that SHE is a WOMAN.
Second, I understand what you mean about not being able to defend someone's actions by claiming that others are doing it. This is only corroborating evidence. Not the main point of my argument.
The main point is that FUck you all is not an insult. It is not an insult by the rules you posted. Even though you then say that you have decided arbitrarily that although the rules as written don't seem to mean Fuck you all, it still does anyway because you want it to. This is the point. You fail to realize. Again. And again. And again.
Slippery slope. I know what it means. And I also know what you're getting at. You're threatening me with something. Editing, deletion, banning, or something. I KNOW THAT!! I am asking what it is that I am doing/saying that merit this threat? It seems that what I am doing is questioning the dogma. Trying to understand the limits of this whole insult situation that I have been talking about that you don't seem to care to read. Did you by chance stumble across the first post in this thread? Did you read the thread in which Gendanken was banned?
You know what's pissing me off about your words right now, Fetus? The fact that you're bandying these words Ad hominem tu quoque and fallacy and slippery slope and acting like you're the only one that understands what they mean. I've told you before that I know what they mean. EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM KNOWS WHAT THEY MEAN. At least your common words such as ad hominem.
Who hasn't come across the very argument that you are now parroting a thousand times already?
Do you think that you are defeating my argument?
How?
I ask you?
Do you even know what my argument is?
I've said it over and over multiple times in this thread.
Has your eye by any chance perused the contents of the thread?
Deep breath.
Mellow.
Mellow.
Second, I understand what you mean about not being able to defend someone's actions by claiming that others are doing it. This is only corroborating evidence. Not the main point of my argument.
The main point is that FUck you all is not an insult. It is not an insult by the rules you posted. Even though you then say that you have decided arbitrarily that although the rules as written don't seem to mean Fuck you all, it still does anyway because you want it to. This is the point. You fail to realize. Again. And again. And again.
Slippery slope. I know what it means. And I also know what you're getting at. You're threatening me with something. Editing, deletion, banning, or something. I KNOW THAT!! I am asking what it is that I am doing/saying that merit this threat? It seems that what I am doing is questioning the dogma. Trying to understand the limits of this whole insult situation that I have been talking about that you don't seem to care to read. Did you by chance stumble across the first post in this thread? Did you read the thread in which Gendanken was banned?
You know what's pissing me off about your words right now, Fetus? The fact that you're bandying these words Ad hominem tu quoque and fallacy and slippery slope and acting like you're the only one that understands what they mean. I've told you before that I know what they mean. EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM KNOWS WHAT THEY MEAN. At least your common words such as ad hominem.
Who hasn't come across the very argument that you are now parroting a thousand times already?
Do you think that you are defeating my argument?
How?
I ask you?
Do you even know what my argument is?
I've said it over and over multiple times in this thread.
Has your eye by any chance perused the contents of the thread?
Deep breath.
Mellow.
Mellow.
invert_nexus,
what relivence does gendanken sex have to do with this topic?
"fuck you all" was most likely not the reason for s/he banishment. Please read that thread gendanken did a lot of other things that could have been the reason, if not collectively.
I'm not threating you!!! Where the hell did you get that idea? :bugeye: this is what I mean by you lacking a grasp of logic! Obviously you don’t know what slippery slope fallacy means as I can’t see how it equate to a threat!
and yes breath deeply, I think your over oxygenating your brain.
what relivence does gendanken sex have to do with this topic?
"fuck you all" was most likely not the reason for s/he banishment. Please read that thread gendanken did a lot of other things that could have been the reason, if not collectively.
I'm not threating you!!! Where the hell did you get that idea? :bugeye: this is what I mean by you lacking a grasp of logic! Obviously you don’t know what slippery slope fallacy means as I can’t see how it equate to a threat!
and yes breath deeply, I think your over oxygenating your brain.
The relevance is that you are using this gender misidentification as a subtle jibe. A passive aggressive insult.
This is the part where you deny it, as all good passive aggressives do.
Then why don't you point out an insult that took place in that thread? Anything other than the infamous "fuck you all'?
Have you read the thread? Have you read a different thread? Your world must be fantastic indeed if you can twist statements in that thread into any kind of direct insults.
Fetus, seriously. You are so far from any basis in reality here. It's been stated already that the situation began in the original picture thread in regards to insults towards Playboy Bunny and Asguard. Gendanken and Goofyfish had a private little war between them. Some of which messages have been posted in this very thread. And in the other thread. This took place on the 19th. Gendanken logged off on the 19th and came back on the 20th. She made *one* post on the 20th. Care to guess which post that might be? Can you? Or will you "pretend" not to see this as well?
The general use of the term slippery slope means dangerous territory. I thought you were referring to the fact that I am entering dangerous territory and better beware lest I slip down the slippery slope. That would be a threat.
Perhaps you are using it in a way that means this:
Tim has a dog.
There is dog with a spotted tail.
Therefore Tim's dog has a spotted tail?
Is this what you're getting at? In regards to the fact that I begin to see every word being censored eventually because of the arbitrary enforcement and translation of the 'rules'?
If so, then you are suffering from a short-sighted syndrome. Your rules clearly do not state anything that could be used to connect fuck you all with a rules violation. And yet, you say that the rules do cover the situation because that's what you meant even though you seem incapable of expressing exactly what it is that you do mean.
Maybe you could hire Gendanken to write your rules for you. She has a way with words, you know.
You know I don't know why I bother trying to point this out to you in such a complex manner which you seem incapable of understanding. Rather, I will use a simple question to illustrate my point. I wonder if you will understand?
Ready?
Here it is:
"Why is a raven like a writing desk?"
And what relevance does this have to the topic of Gendanken's Banning?!? Seriously you lack logic.
I don't think this is about Gendanken last insult, if you were better at understand the psychology of others invert_nexus you would have seen this: Gendanken was warned in pm about the stopping his insulting behavior, instead of changing his ways he publicly post goofyfishes PM (a illegal act by goofyfish’s book) and then taunts him. The use of “fuck you all” may have nothing to do with his banishment, more likely its the fact Gendanken spent that thread trashing Goofyfish profanely. The final rule of the day is don’t fuck with the supermods or administrator, it has happened countless times when people disrespected them and slander them in anger, to be banished, sometimes in volleys.
by the way the example of the slippery slope you gave is not a slippery slope, its good that your try to understand logic fallacies but that was a Hasty Generalization fallacy, in which if A is in group B and has feature C then all group B most have feature C. Its a failure of proper statistics. A slippery slope is if A, then B, or if A occurs then B most follow. To say that limited editing of profanity now must mean that soon all profanity will be edited, is a slippery slop.
Just because the rules do not accurately describe every possible means of violation or need for moderation does not mean one can get away with that unattributed violation. If you want rules to be stated like:
-Do not post private messages, these are to remain private
-Do not taunt the moderators or publicly object to their warnings in a harsh profane manner.
I’m sure we could do post them.
And you lack understanding. Again. This thread is not about Gendanken's Banning entirely. It's about the situation surround her banning. The nature of insults, the rules on insults, the hypocrisy of partial moderation.
You consistently calling Gendanken him is a veiled insult. It's a purposeful gender misidentification. But, obviously according to you such is not against the rules.
See? There are things to learn from you despite your lack of understanding. We now know another form of insult that is not against the rules.
1. Deliberate gender misidentification.
2. Calling someone a pig.
3. Calling someone a worthless dickhead.
4. Telling someone to clean the crud out of their bong. (An imperative I hold on par with telling someone to go fuck themselves. But obviously not to the moderation.)
So, our great goddess of wisdom, Fetus, has shown us the light with her non-comprehension of the topic. She is truly a font of wisdom for those able to suckle from her teats of wisdom. Blessed are we in being gifted with such a bounteous mother as she.
Wow. She can see. I thought her incapable of learning. But yet, I feel that she still doesn't see that she sees.
Fetus. What do you think the point of hypocrisy is? Look at what you've said. GoofyFish was mad that his PM's were aired in public. Is it illegal to do so? Why? Since when? How is one to know? Is this the real culprit? Also don't forget that Gendanken is not afraid to express her discontent with his actions. All these are what I've been talking about and you, desperately striving to counteract me, elucidate them perfectly and think them your defense.
But, use of "fuck you all" was touted as the reason for the banning. Gendanken had been warned against insulting members. She had been warned that if she insulted a member again, she'd be gone. Yet, here it seems that you're saying that it was nothing to do with the use of her expletive. It was her attitude of defiance that did it.
Yet, Goofyfish was surely aware of the thread before this. He knew of it on the 19th and don't tell me he didn't. He was waiting for a reason. An excuse. He was angry that he didn't ban her previously. He was angry because she made him angry, because she had the balls to stand up to him. But, there was nothing in the thread or in her posting since the final warning to warrant a ban. So he lurked and waited. He knew that something would come along. Something which would serve his purpose. And along comes "fuck you all". Goofyfish swarms in like a wrathful god and utters his self-satisfied "Goodbye." Closes the thread and swims off leaving a trail of self-satisfaction rising in the bubbles behind him. The problem is that when the bubbles reached the surface they smelled like fart. There are some who can smell farts. And who aren't too proud to comment on it. And to ask who farted.
So, who farted, Fetus. Surely a girl as wise as yourself knows.
Oh my. Far be it from me to suggest that you move away from hypocrisy into the light of truth.
By the way, why is a raven like a writing desk?
Kunax said:
God mode? You must be talking about the mods right?
Fraggle Rocker
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As one of the oldest farts on SciForums (61 in a couple of days), I'm not offended by any of this "offensive" language. But I am offended by the curtailment of free speech, and I'm glad to see such controversy over it. You young people do not easily give up your freedom.
Still, the banning was only for a week. It's a trifle. An "ecclesiastical" matter for you who spend so much of your lives here to decide. This place has a structure and there are people who by some mechanism I don't know have the power to maintain that structure. Fight it out among yourselves. I'd be delighted to see it settled by a democratic vote -- but on the other hand democracy often becomes no more than tyranny of the majority, as I've said on several threads.
When you're 61 a week is nothing.
Now I'll go and vote on the side of Gendanken, whom I barely know, just on principle.
I hope you all (the Americans over 18 anyway) return the favor and vote your consciences in November.
Still, the banning was only for a week. It's a trifle. An "ecclesiastical" matter for you who spend so much of your lives here to decide. This place has a structure and there are people who by some mechanism I don't know have the power to maintain that structure. Fight it out among yourselves. I'd be delighted to see it settled by a democratic vote -- but on the other hand democracy often becomes no more than tyranny of the majority, as I've said on several threads.
When you're 61 a week is nothing.
Now I'll go and vote on the side of Gendanken, whom I barely know, just on principle.
I hope you all (the Americans over 18 anyway) return the favor and vote your consciences in November.
Thanks for your support, Fraggle. Of course, you're right. A week is nothing and if that's all it really was then there would be no great need for such a fuss. However, it's not just a temp ban of 7 days. It's her *last chance* ban. Unless Goofyfish changes his mind. Her first chance ban and last chance ban all wrapped up in one package. 2 for 1 special.
Ahh. Apologies. I thought you were on the other side. It seemed that you were saying that my point was passive aggressive. Should have known better.
"Damocle's sword" is a figurative way to say "clear and present danger". Damocle was a sycophantish courtman of the Siracusian tyrant Dionisius (I'm not totally sure about the English names). Dionisius made a great banquet for Damocles, sat him on his throne and had a sword hang over his head, on only a horse hair -- to show him in what great danger Damocles was.
Perhaps I read the wrong message in the story. The way I read it was with an emphasis on the sycophancy of Damocles. The sword would only cut when the man uttered flattery. That was my impression. I suppose the general usage of the term is used to just signify danger rather than concentrate on the source of the danger? Or have I read a corrupted version of the tale perhaps?
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