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Fednis48 said:
I think the key is that intellen is when something goes beyond the minimum needed for survival, as in the example of a secretary bringing extra paper clips preemptively.

So if someone's hungry for a salad and they eat a salad, that's not intelligence. But if I'm hungry for a salad and I eat a salad, then follow it up with 3 beers and half a pizza, that's intelligence.

... this theory is growing on me.
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YEAH, that is pretty close. But that is actually a universal principle that we normally do.

We do it in engineering, in science, in manufacturing, in everything and that is simply, the universal intelligence..

And I called it as "asymmetrical phenomenon" or simply intellen and the symmetrical phenomenon is naturen...thus, there is always a dividing line betwen naturen to intellen. I called that dividing line as the Universal Boundary Line (UBL) for origins and cause and effect.

If we knew this and apply that to Biology, you will see that Darwin was wrong. And if you apply that to whole science, you will see that we are sooooo wrong with many things...
 
MrIntelligentDesign said:
LOL!!!

No! That is failure and you will get the phrase, "YOU'RE FIRED!"
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Most likely. But then again, who was it who decided that a hierarchy was the most intelligent way to organize a company? Hint: NOT Peter Drucker.

And, anyone who has tried Peter Drucker's alternate mode of corporate organization will never wish to return to a hierarchal model. Middle management as message carriers between layers of an organization is both inefficient and unnecessary, AS WELL AS about the most UNINTELLIGENT way to implement a functional, efficient, and competent organization imaginable.

Whereever a hierarchal system of organization was copied from, it wasn't a natural one NO, it is not the same as a "food chain", nor a "central nervous system". Neither of those systems have middle management. In the a food chain, middle management would be eaten. In the body of something with a central nervous system, middle management would be regarded as malignant growths or parasites.
 
danshawen said:
More often than not, intelligence, as Mr<id> has tried to point out, is by its nature ITERATIVE, as far as we are concerned, and by that I mean: "doesn't always get things completely right on the first go round, or even the second." AND NATURE WORKS IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
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Remember that trial and error is not for intelligence but for natural process but for existence, existence never uses trial and error for if it does, there will be non-existence.
 
MrIntelligentDesign said:
Remember that trial and error is not for intelligence but for natural process but for existence, existence never uses trial and error for if it does, there will be non-existence.
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Trial and error is EXACTLY what science and intelligence and also NATURE is all about.

This is also the reason you believe in a deity and most scientists are not so sure. If there is a G-d, and if our intelligence is modeled after his, then G-d too must be as ignorant as he or it is intelligent, because evolution shows, he or it will literally try ANYTHING. Birds fly, fish swim, and we amblulate. An engineer would have picked ONE mode of transport for all three. Why not a flying snake?

Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnignorant, the trial and error deity. I like it. Thanks, Mr<id>. We have an understanding more valuable than you realize here.
 
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G-d saw fit to give wings to his angels. Why don't some of us have them? Not everyone can afford a ride in an airplane, or fly into a tall building in one of them. If we all had wings, would that even be necessary? For some reason, discussions like this one keep coming back to that topic. I'd rather just walk. I don't care how inefficient or unintelligent that is.
 
danshawen said:
Trial and error is EXACTLY what science and intelligence and also NATURE is all about.

This is also the reason you believe in a deity and most scientists are not so sure. If there is a G-d, and if our intelligence is modeled after his, then G-d too must be as ignorant as he or it is intelligent, because evolution shows, he or it will literally try ANYTHING. Birds fly, fish swim, and we amblulate. An engineer would have picked ONE mode of transport for all three. Why not a flying snake?

Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnignorant, the trial and error deity. I like it. Thanks, Mr<id>. We have an understanding more valuable than you realize here.
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Life doesn't use trial and error. When you want X to exist, you don't use trial and error since failure cannot make X.
 
MrIntelligentDesign said:
Life doesn't use trial and error. When you want X to exist, you don't use trial and error since failure cannot make X.
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Then, evidently, I'm not alive, because that is literally all that I have ever used. I don't know this vaunted intelligence of which you speak, but if it is only pride, this would explain your bigotry. Pride was the sin of Lucifer, and also Hitler, who was Jewish, as was Eva Braun. And we have had this conversation before, and this is again exactly where it ended.

Of both your religion and your philosophy, my friend, you make very poor use. If there is no G-d to damn you for your pride or for the bigotry which derives of it, and for others just like you, I do. I'd tell you all to go to hell, but evidently there isn't one of those or its divine counterpart either.
 
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And the alternative you endorse, Intelligent Design Creationism, is based on faith, not evidence. Even if you could prove evolution by natural selection wrong, it still wouldn't make creationism right.
 
MrIntelligentDesign said:
Life doesn't use trial and error.
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Of course it does, which is why you have individual digits. The fingers don't grow from the wrist like plants emerging from the dirt. During development of the hand, millions of cells, each carrying a full compliment of an individual's DNA, in the limb bud differentiate into skin, bone, tendons, nerves, etc. And then the millions of cells between the digits die (“the usual longitudinal interdigital necrosis”) so that the hand has separate digits. Some times this execution fails and this results in syndactyly.

“Most species do their own evolving, making it up as they go along, which is the way Nature intended. And this is all very natural and organic and in tune with mysterious cycles of the cosmos, which believes that there's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fiber and, in some cases, backbone.” – Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man, page 9.
 
rpenner said:
Of course it does, which is why you have individual digits. The fingers don't grow from the wrist like plants emerging from the dirt. During development of the hand, millions of cells, each carrying a full compliment of an individual's DNA, in the limb bud differentiate into skin, bone, tendons, nerves, etc. And then the millions of cells between the digits die (“the usual longitudinal interdigital necrosis”) so that the hand has separate digits. Some times this execution fails and this results in syndactyly.

“Most species do their own evolving, making it up as they go along, which is the way Nature intended. And this is all very natural and organic and in tune with mysterious cycles of the cosmos, which believes that there's nothing like millions of years of really frustrating trial and error to give a species moral fiber and, in some cases, backbone.” – Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man, page 9.
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No, life and its components don't use trial and errors since life and those components had to make once (one time only) for them or nothing..

Trial and errors must have many processes involved but life and its components have only one try...and it is always SUCCESS or FAILURE...thus, you are totally wrong!
 
danshawen said:
Then, evidently, I'm not alive, because that is literally all that I have ever used. I don't know this vaunted intelligence of which you speak, but if it is only pride, this would explain your bigotry. Pride was the sin of Lucifer, and also Hitler, who was Jewish, as was Eva Braun. And we have had this conversation before, and this is again exactly where it ended.

Of both your religion and your philosophy, my friend, you make very poor use. If there is no G-d to damn you for your pride or for the bigotry which derives of it, and for others just like you, I do. I'd tell you all to go to hell, but evidently there isn't one of those or its divine counterpart either.
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Your mother had given you life ONCE and one time only..you did not undergo into multiple life-death-life-death-life-death processes.. Thus I am right.

Life doesn't use trial and error. When you want X to exist, you don't use trial and error since failure cannot make X.
 
Not surprisingly we have 18 pages and not one piece of evidence for intelligent design.
 
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