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Videos, the junk food that powers wingnut "thought".

Because reading and writing don't work very well, for that purpose.
 
It was a good point she made about our movies.

They see themselves as freedom fighters against a dominating superpower that is trying to wipe them out.

I do not believe we will ever find peace until we acknowledge that they are not evil monsters, they are fighting for their dwindling way of life.
 
She has been described as being naive.
Let us assume that her advice is a beginning.
Then how do we unwind the empire with limited bloodshed?
 
sculptor said:
Let us assume that her advice is a beginning.
Then how do we unwind the empire with limited bloodshed?
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A beginning is still a beginning.

There are only three possible long-term outcomes:
  1. One side wipes out the other.
  2. Both sides continue bloodshed for eternity.
  3. Each side comes to an understanding of the other.
The only viable one is #3.

The first step is to get at least one side (specifically, the citizens themselves) to see #3 as the goal, and reject 1 and 2.
 
sculptor said:
How?
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Edumacation...
Attrition of old guard, replaced with new guard...
Cahnging attitudes...



On a different note, I think label of naivete has a positive spin.
No disillusioned monkey will ever reach for the banana. Only a naive monkey - perhaps better called an idealist monkey - will flout the status quo to break the cycle.
 
DaveC426913 said:
There are only three possible long-term outcomes:
  1. One side wipes out the other.
  2. Both sides continue bloodshed for eternity.
  3. Each side comes to an understanding of the other.
The only viable one is #3.
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But #2 is more likely.
 
DaveC426913 said:
A beginning is still a beginning.

There are only three possible long-term outcomes:
  1. One side wipes out the other.
  2. Both sides continue bloodshed for eternity.
  3. Each side comes to an understanding of the other.
The only viable one is #3.

The first step is to get at least one side (specifically, the citizens themselves) to see #3 as the goal, and reject 1 and 2.
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There's a fourth: the aggressor quits fighting, and in the absence of their aggression a long term truce or peace holds. No mutual "understanding" is required. An example would be China and the US after the Korean War, and again after the Vietnam War.

I do not believe we will ever find peace until we acknowledge that they are not evil monsters, they are fighting for their dwindling way of life.
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Liberals have been saying that, acknowledging that, for your entire lifetime. And your parents's.

So who's the "we"?
 
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iceaura said:
There's a fourth: the aggressor quits fighting, and in the absence of their aggression a long term truce or peace holds. No mutual "understanding" is required. An example would be China and the US after the Korean War, and again after the Vietnam War.
I do not believe we will ever find peace until we acknowledge that they are not evil monsters, they are fighting for their dwindling way of life.
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Liberals have been saying that, acknowledging that, for your entire lifetime. And your parents's.
... ?
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Did you mean "liberals" like Ron Paul?
Perhaps, we need a real "liberal" party and should shun the neocon democrats?
 
sculptor said:
Did you mean "liberals" like Ron Paul?
Perhaps, we need a real "liberal" party and should shun the neocon democrats?
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I mean liberals and Ron Paul.

Who do you think Dave's "we" is?

Meanwhile, the lack of political representation for leftwing libertarians - when most of the country is (if issue polls are to be attended at all) more left and more libertarian than either of the Parties extant - has been an issue for a generation. You aren't going to find any by shunning Democrats, though - digging in the wrong direction, that is. Primary them, maybe - that worked for the Republican rightwing authoritarians: they moved the whole country's politics.
 
<-------------Libertarian socialist peacenik.

Pity that I never had a chance to vote for the ticket Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.
 
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