Floods

sculptor said:
Do we dismiss Troy as unreal because we do not accept the existence of a god who disguised as a shepard rained down arrows of plague on the invading Hellenes?
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We dismissed Troy as unreal until there was a reason to think it was real. We still dismiss the Greek gods as unreal because there is no reason to think they are real.
 
sideshowbob said:
We dismissed Troy as unreal until there was a reason to think it was real. We still dismiss the Greek gods as unreal because there is no reason to think they are real.
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And the involvement of gods and demi-gods didn't the credibility of the story. Not to mention that the location of a fortified city was about the only connection the story IRL.
 
sideshowbob said:
We dismissed Troy as unreal until there was a reason to think it was real. We still dismiss the Greek gods as unreal because there is no reason to think they are real.
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Unless
(of course)
You adhere to euhemerism ................................
and, then.........................................?
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
Conveniently slow comet?
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Catching up from behind, in orbit, slowed further by the moon, hitting in pieces - Deity arranged, after all.
It's a worked out, multi-step theory - starting with a smaller but absorbent Earth, with of course specially created larger animals (less gravity) closer together on neighboring continents (not separated by modern oceans), inhabited by sinners (taller, longer lived sinners; less gravity). I'm thinking somebody with the necessary credentials in geology etc could pull a Behe here, pocket a few million dollars from the Republicans. They wouldn't even have to humiliate themselves on TV - just take on an impoverished post-doc to handle the promotional stuff as "co-author".
sculptor said:
Added to which, we know that ice has a gravitational effect. It has been estimated that if the Greenland icecap were to melt, the loss of gravity would lower sea level around Greenland bu 1-3 meters.-----that water has to go somewhere else.
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That doesn't make sense as written. Greenland rising after unburdening is a very slow process, and does not lower sea level or reduce the amount of water in the local sea. The water added from the melting ice has to go somewhere - into the local ocean, first, then downhill into the world's oceans.
sculptor said:
Is it too difficult to extrapolate that there was/were indeed flood/s accompanying the end of the glaciers? And that stories of those floods would persist?
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That would be one of the standard explanations of flood myths in places like North America - where huge meltwater lakes on the ice front several times drained in quite spectacular fashion during the time of probable human settlement (jökulhlaups) - although the area of the various Mediterranean flood stories would need different explanations. The possible sudden filling of the Black Sea from the Mediterranean seems to align with the Gilgamesh story, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
 
sculptor said: ↑
Added to which, we know that ice has a gravitational effect. It has been estimated that if the Greenland icecap were to melt, the loss of gravity would lower sea level around Greenland bu 1-3 meters.-----that water has to go somewhere else.

iceaura said:
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That doesn't make sense as written. Greenland rising after unburdening is a very slow process, and does not lower sea level or reduce the amount of water in the local sea. The water added from the melting ice has to go somewhere - into the local ocean, first, then downhill into the world's oceans.
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The huge mass of water frozen in ice sheets exerts a powerful gravitational force that pulls on nearby seawater. This gravitational attraction must be taken into account when considering changes in sea level as ice sheets advance or retreat ...
... the loss of the ice sheet’s mass, and thus its powerful gravitational attraction, would cause the ocean’s surface to relax away from the former position of the ice sheet, lowering local sea level.
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see more at:
http://sealevelstudy.org/sea-change-science/whats-in-a-number/attractive-ice-sheets
 
[Hey, don't blame me, I didn't invent gravity...............I'm just trying to figure it out]
 
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Ok. That was fun, thanks.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/323/5915/753 The original paper.
https://gracefo.jpl.nasa.gov/science/sea-level/ A new data source.
http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/2016/07/21/gravity-greenland-dropping-no-really/ A movie of what's happening.
http://www.catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=71489 The other hemisphere takes the brunt (this also holds for Antarctic melting).

Although as the behavior in cold water outflow zones suggests - not gravitational mass loss points, but such as southern Alaskan coastal areas or even the mouths of the Amazon - the shrinkage from cooling may be responsible for a fair amount of what is attributed in some of these sources to gravity alone (or other factors not mentioned).
 
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Villages have been discovered circa 200 feet below the current level of the Black Sea. Perhaps in the last 10-20 years: I am not sure when.

It is known that the Black & Mediterranean Seas lose water by evaporation faster than replenishment via input from rivers & rainfall.​

Water from the Atlantic maintains the current sea level.

The discovery of those villages suggests that the Noah flood might be might be due to an oral tradition maintained & exaggerated over centuries after those villages were flooded.

If there were no survivors from those villages, it is likely that villages on higher ground maintained the oral tradition.​
 
iceaura said:
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That doesn't make sense as written. Greenland rising after unburdening is a very slow process, and does not lower sea level or reduce the amount of water in the local sea. The water added from the melting ice has to go somewhere - into the local ocean, first, then downhill into the world's oceans.

That would be one of the standard explanations of flood myths in places like North America - where huge meltwater lakes on the ice front several times drained in quite spectacular fashion during the time of probable human settlement (jökulhlaups) - although the area of the various Mediterranean flood stories would need different explanations. The possible sudden filling of the Black Sea from the Mediterranean seems to align with the Gilgamesh story, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
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How about as the ice in Greenland dissipate the the land increase in surface land , because the ice compressed the ground as the ice dissipate the ground rise
 
Dinosaur said:
I Posted remarks similar to the following to another Thread.

Villages have been discovered circa 200 feet below the current level of the Black Sea. Perhaps in the last 10-20 years: I am not sure when.

It is known that the Black & Mediterranean Seas lose water by evaporation faster than replenishment via input from rivers & rainfall.​

Water from the Atlantic maintains the current sea level.
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An other way can be looked , Ice have a lower density ,as the ice melts the volume equivalent to ice decrease due the liquid have a higher density so not necessary the total volume have to increase.
And as the ground of Greenland increase due to reduction on surface ice pressure the soil will absorb water which might be produce from the melt.
 
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