First Doses of H1N1 flu vaccine shipping

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/05/h1n1.vaccine.campaign/index.html

# Story Highlights
# NEW: Makers will ship 10 million to 20 million doses per week in next few months
# Health care workers in Tennessee and Indiana are first recipients of H1N1 vaccine
# U.S. government has purchased 195 million doses from manufacturers
# Two-thirds of Americans plan to be vaccinated against H1N1 flu, survey says

Haha I couldnt help but notice the phrase "vaccine.campaign" in the url. Fitting I think considering the whole issue seems like a sales pitch. Those numbers listed above are staggering, truly an unprecedented effort on behalf of our government. It makes me wonder, whos getting rich?

 

[nietzschefan]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/05/h1n1.vaccine.campaign/index.html


Haha I couldnt help but notice the phrase "vaccine.campaign" in the url. Fitting I think considering the whole issue seems like a sales pitch. Those numbers listed above are staggering, truly an unprecedented effort on behalf of our government. It makes me wonder, whos getting rich?

Cheney. Guys like that, who own stock in the companies.

It's a recipe for disaster too. First shot weakens the immune system so the 2nd shot 3 weeks later can have a "better" effect.

So I wonder how many kids are gonna have colds in time for the 2nd "flu" shot.

What a fucking disaster in the making I tell you.

 

[Asguard]

nietzschefan oh god bring on the conspiracy nuts. Its a fucking dead vacine so how exctly do you think its CAUSING infections?

Oh and in adults its a single dose, the tests in children are ongoing

 

[nietzschefan]

nietzschefan oh god bring on the conspiracy nuts. Its a fucking dead vacine so how exctly do you think its CAUSING infections?

Oh and in adults its a single dose, the tests in children are ongoing

Fuck you it's no conspiracy, it's a money making scam pure and simple. The flu shot always has been.

I don't trust one fucking word said about it from any doctor/nurse/bambulancedriver.

 

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Cheney. Guys like that, who own stock in the companies.

What a fucking disaster in the making I tell you.

Yea I know, it was more of a rhetorical question trying to get people to think. Its gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. Personally I am not in any of the high risk groups and if they try to force that shit on me, well lets just wait and see...

Oh and in adults its a single dose, the tests in children are ongoing

Dont you think its a bit strange they are making enough doses for 2/3 of the US population with a vaccine where, by your words, the tests are still ongoing? Let us all remember 1976, the last time the government tried to scare us all with a swine flu pandemic. Although I have to admit, 1976's effort is nothing compared to 2009's.

 

[CutsieMarie89]

Nope not going to get it. I don't have that kind of money for something I probably won't catch and if I do catch it, I probably won't die. It just feels like your dying. But then you get better.

 

[Orleander]

... Let us all remember 1976, the last time the government tried to scare us all with a swine flu pandemic. Although I have to admit, 1976's effort is nothing compared to 2009's.

Its the first thing I thought of as well. My daughter will not be vaccinated. She can wait.

 

[brokenpower]

I've never gotten a flu shot, and it hasn't made me less healthy.

These people need to take a daily vitamin

Vaccines are placebos, i don't believe they really have any real use but to make money from fear.

 

[spidergoat]

Nope not going to get it. I don't have that kind of money for something I probably won't catch and if I do catch it, I probably won't die. It just feels like your dying. But then you get better.

Me either. I don't want to be a survivor, living underground, scavenging for food in the ruins of our civilization...

 

[superstring01]

First shot weakens the immune system so the 2nd shot 3 weeks later can have a "better" effect.

Can you support this, or are people supposed to take your word over--say--a trusted physician?

Dont you think its a bit strange they are making enough doses for 2/3 of the US population with a vaccine where, by your words, the tests are still ongoing? Let us all remember 1976, the last time the government tried to scare us all with a swine flu pandemic. Although I have to admit, 1976's effort is nothing compared to 2009's.

No. I don't find it a bit odd. All it takes is a first year's education in medicine to know that flu experimentation NEVER ENDS. It goes on every year because the virus mutates, thus a new vaccine is developed every 12 months. The process is an old one. This flu vaccine variant is just another flu vaccine variant which is used every year to prevent millions of cases of influenza. Morons who claim that it's a conspiracy are. . . well they are morons. Such a conspiracy would need to include every research physician, diagnostician, microbiologist, virologist (amongst others) in every nation on Earth along with millions of others without a verifiable leak. Nixon couldn't keep Watergate covered up. Bush couldn't keep the Plame affair under wraps, but YEAH, millions of people around the world are all conspiring to keep internet conspiracy theorists up at night. YOU'VE UN-COVERED THEIR INSIDIOUS PLAN!

The flu vaccine works and has prevented the death of many, many people (especially the elderly).

I got the first of thee Hep A&B vaccines last week as well as the "regular" flu vaccine last week. Next week: H1N1. Flu vaccines in the US usually run $10. The years I get it I don't get a cold (not even a mild one). The years where I don't, I usually get a minimum of one cold. The 2 second prick of a needle is well worth saving myself from the agony of a burning throat, stuffed up nose and congested lungs for seven-to-ten days, much less a full-on case of the flu.

~String

 

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Wow, something new I just came across. Ive never even heard of a nose-spray vaccine before, but apparently the first doses going out are of this variety. The best part is they are a "live-virus" vaccine as opposed to the "dead-virus" injectable vaccines were all used to. You are supposed to avoid people with auto-immune disorders for 21 days for risk of spreading the infection. Aint that something; a vaccine that comes with a 21 day infectious period, classic stuff.

http://www.drugs.com/flumist.html

 

[superstring01]

Wow, something new I just came across. Ive never even heard of a nose-spray vaccine before, but apparently the first doses going out are of this variety. The best part is they are a "live-virus" vaccine as opposed to the "dead-virus" injectable vaccines were all used to. You are supposed to avoid people with auto-immune disorders for 21 days for risk of spreading the infection. Aint that something; a vaccine that comes with a 21 day infectious period, classic stuff.

http://www.drugs.com/flumist.html

Yeah, they need to be alive to make it into the system, past the mucus membranes of the sinus passages. I'll just get the injection when it's available at CVS/Pharmacy next week for, like, $10 (usually free for anybody with insurance).

~String

 

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No. I don't find it a bit odd. All it takes is a first year's education in medicine to know that flu experimentation NEVER ENDS. It goes on every year because the virus mutates, thus a new vaccine is developed every 12 months. The process is an old one. This flu vaccine variant is just another flu vaccine variant which is used every year to prevent millions of cases of influenza. Morons who claim that it's a conspiracy are. . . well they are morons. Such a conspiracy would need to include every research physician, diagnostician, microbiologist, virologist (amongst others) in every nation on Earth along with millions of others without a verifiable leak. Nixon couldn't keep Watergate covered up. Bush couldn't keep the Plame affair under wraps, but YEAH, millions of people around the world are all conspiring to keep internet conspiracy theorists up at night. YOU'VE UN-COVERED THEIR INSIDIOUS PLAN!

The flu vaccine works and has prevented the death of many, many people (especially the elderly).

I got the first of thee Hep A&B vaccines last week as well as the "regular" flu vaccine last week. Next week: H1N1. Flu vaccines in the US usually run $10. The years I get it I don't get a cold (not even a mild one). The years where I don't, I usually get a minimum of one cold. The 2 second prick of a needle is well worth saving myself from the agony of a burning throat, stuffed up nose and congested lungs for seven-to-ten days, much less a full-on case of the flu.

~String

Just watch where the money goes...no conspiracy about it. Although you did seem to get yourself all worked up about a conspiracy that apparently doesnt exist.

 

[superstring01]

Just watch where the money goes...no conspiracy about it. Although you did seem to get yourself all worked up about a conspiracy that apparently doesnt exist.

I did? When did that happen? Or, was I just responding to total stupidity.

Duh, though: It's a capitalist enterprise. That's just how it works in a society where big corporations exists. The fact that large corporations make oodles of cash off of this is less a conspiracy than just a crock of shit. See, my doctor makes upwards of $250,000 a year, but it's no conspiracy that he's there when I need him and that I have to pay him $20 up front every time, whilst my insurance company forks out $130 per visit. It may not be pretty, but I prefer it over the lovely needle sharing program that kept so many Romanian babies vaccinated and--oh--infected with AIDS, Hep-C and a host of others.

~String

 

[Repo Man]

Wow, something new I just came across. Ive never even heard of a nose-spray vaccine before, but apparently the first doses going out are of this variety. The best part is they are a "live-virus" vaccine as opposed to the "dead-virus" injectable vaccines were all used to. You are supposed to avoid people with auto-immune disorders for 21 days for risk of spreading the infection. Aint that something; a vaccine that comes with a 21 day infectious period, classic stuff.

http://www.drugs.com/flumist.html

No, you're supposed to avoid people who have a weak immune system. Auto immune disorders are something else entirely.

Cutsie Marie, the flu may not kill you as an individual (but then again, in spite of your confidence that it won't, it could), but it kills plenty of people every year. So far, the H1N1 hasn't been the disaster that some public health officials feared it might be. But it is a matter of when, not if, the next virus as bad as the 1918 one will roll around again.

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish Flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus.[1] Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.[2]

The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920,[3] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide.[4][5][6][7][8] An estimated 500 million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), became infected.[5]

But it's just the sniffles, right?

 

[superstring01]

But it's just the sniffles, right?

No. That was a conspiracy too. And if a vaccine exists for the next pandemic, then you should avoid getting it because some big corporation might make just too much money off of it.

~String

 

[nietzschefan]

Drop the fucking conspiracy talk, it's only a fucking conspiracy if it's a SECRET. It's no secret it's a billion dollar USELESS business.

And I didn't know the first dose was a live virus, that can spread. Maybe there actually IS a conspiracy. Jesus Fuck....

Can you support this, or are people supposed to take your word over--say--a trusted physician?

Yes there is two doses for kids, like I said. I didn't know the first was a mist that is a live virus though...sorry maybe you should ban me?

 

[nietzschefan]

Fuck me.. the more I read the worse it gets and the more my "instincts" about the "flu shot" are confirmed.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/09/28/nwt-flu-vaccines.html?ref=rss

Risks of seasonal shot unconfirmed

The seasonal flu vaccine will provide protection from two influenza A strains and one influenza B strain, all related to flu strains reported in Australia, Kandola said.

She added that health officials have not yet confirmed early findings from Canadian researchers that suggest people who get the seasonal flu shot may be twice as likely to get the H1N1 virus. That research has not yet been peer-reviewed or published.

"We haven't had the opportunity to look at that data, because it is unpublished," she said.

"We do know that in the U.S. and the U.K., they have not been able to replicate this data."

 

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So far, the H1N1 hasn't been the disaster that some public health officials feared it might be. But it is a matter of when, not if, the next virus as bad as the 1918 one will roll around again.

No it sure has not been the disaster they thought it would be, and it wasnt the disaster they thought it would be in 1976 either. Do you see a pattern?

I agree with you its only a matter of time before a pandemic strikes again. Do you really think fear mongering and dosing the entire population with untested vaccines is the answer?

No. That was a conspiracy too. And if a vaccine exists for the next pandemic, then you should avoid getting it because some big corporation might make just too much money off of it.

Im just asking you to question their intentions. I know its tricky when making money is covered up with something as altruistic as preventing infections, but trust me, there is always a hidden agenda with our government/corporations, and neither you nor I know exactly what that is. I do know one thing, money is higher on their list of priorities then human lives, just take a look at our military industrial complex.

I know its hard not to get angry when someone questions your cozy little worldview, but please lets not get into a "your crazy!" shouting match, hm?

 

[superstring01]

Yes there is two doses for kids, like I said. I didn't know the first was a mist that is a live virus though...sorry maybe you should ban me?

No. It's not a usual habit of yours. I actually found the claim interesting and was looking to dig further into the matter. You know: like provide a like to the information to those who are interested in your claim. Yes it's a "rule" but it's also just polite.

~String