Famous neuroscientist proves telepathy!

I've had another experience. I can know what's going to happen next. I can also sing in a, say, hyper tone. Neither are as cool as my vision into the fallen angel of omniscience being part of hell with hatred, and temptation (i.e. Justice, and healing) being the devil dog and his purpose.

Gnosis is a tempt, wisdom is a liar, and virtue is a rebel.
If you gave angels free will you don't get to know.
Determinism is synonymous with knowledge.
 
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I will believe telepathy exists when two subjects can transmit/receive 4/5-digit numbers provided by an experimenter. The context should be a good experimental setup to avoid fraud.
 
kx000 said:
I've had another experience. I can know what's going to happen next. I can also sing in a, say, hyper tone. Neither are as cool as my vision into the fallen angel of omniscience being part of hell with hatred, and temptation (i.e. Justice, and healing) being the devil dog and his purpose.

Gnosis is a tempt, wisdom is a liar, and virtue is a rebel.
If you gave angels free will you don't get to know.
Determinism is synonymous with knowledge.
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Just curious - if you put in gibberish at one end and somebody telepathically receives it at the other end, is the received gibberish accurate? It seems to me that transmitting gibberish telepathically would be more impressive than transmitting sense telepathically. The receiver can interpolate to fix transmission errors in sense but not in gibberish.
 
sideshowbob said:
Just curious - if you put in gibberish at one end and somebody telepathically receives it at the other end, is the received gibberish accurate? It seems to me that transmitting gibberish telepathically would be more impressive than transmitting sense telepathically. The receiver can interpolate to fix transmission errors in sense but not in gibberish.
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See Dinosaur's post #23. That would suffice.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Unfortunately, this all presumes the conclusion.

I'd look for more mundane explanations before creating one out of whole cloth.
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To deny replica-table science experiments is not wise.

From MPOV, I cannot deny science as I know there is something going on even though all that is being found has yet to be proven to the higher degree that it needs before acceptance of all of us. I cannot deny my own experience. I can only try to explain it.

Regards
DL
 
Ophiolite said:
Well, that's just a silly remark. You asked why you make posts that opened you up to potential ridicule. I obliged by providing a list of some of the plausible reasons you might do so.

You did not ask for proof as to why you post as you do. You asked a very specific question; I provided very specific answers. Now you appear to have a problem with that and have become defensive. I am sure sound thinkers will be able to use that datum to narrow down the number of motives for your posting behaviour.
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Psychobabble is just that.

Regards
DL
 
sideshowbob said:
Just curious - if you put in gibberish at one end and somebody telepathically receives it at the other end, is the received gibberish accurate? It seems to me that transmitting gibberish telepathically would be more impressive than transmitting sense telepathically. The receiver can interpolate to fix transmission errors in sense but not in gibberish.
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You might have a point but FMPOV, I do not see a mind in contact with another as able to lie to it as it would be seen as a lie. As Persinger pointed out in his research, he is concluding that we would not be able to keep secrets from each other. Having tasted the emotional part of telepathy, I tend to agree with him.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
Psychobabble is just that.

Regards
DL
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Well, I completely agree: psychobabble is just sychobabble. However, no portion of my post in any way consisted of psychobabble, implicit or explicit.

I recommend you read it again. It will help you improve your grasp of word meaning and that, in turn, will help you avoid making such embarrassing posts.
 
DaveC426913 said:
How are they replicable?

Because if they are, you can bet I'll be at your door within a few heartbeats of quitting my job to be your agent.
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Persinger is replicating his results on a constant basis.

I do not think he is getting the depth as yet that proves his case as much as we would like but they are replicate-able experiments of real telepathy. That is my view thanks to my own experience.

If it was easy, I would have Randy's million in my bank account.

Both my wife and I would pass a lie detector test but many do not take that as evidence either.

Regards
DL
 
Ophiolite said:
Well, I completely agree: psychobabble is just sychobabble. However, no portion of my post in any way consisted of psychobabble, implicit or explicit.

I recommend you read it again. It will help you improve your grasp of word meaning and that, in turn, will help you avoid making such embarrassing posts.
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Ditto.

Regards
DL
 
DaveC426913 said:
Not that I wish to lend any credence to the extraordinary conjecture of telepathy, but your refutation above presupposes that it operates via the known mechanisms we have been looking for with our detectors. Namely, electrical brain activity.
I would surmise that, if telepathy were to be real, we have not discovered the transmission mechanism by which it occurs.

Again, I won't accept telepathy exists until and unless we can establish a mechanism and some evidence, but the fact that we don't detect it with our electrical probes is not strong evidence against it.
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The strong evidence against it is that it doesn't pass a double blind test and that it isn't replicable by independent parties.

Having a vision or being in touch with a family member isn't telepathy.
 
From DaveC426913 Post #10
Not that I wish to lend any credence to the extraordinary conjecture of telepathy, but your refutation above presupposes that it operates via the known mechanisms we have been looking for with our detectors. Namely, electrical brain activity.

I would surmise that, if telepathy were to be real, we have not discovered the transmission mechanism by which it occurs.

Again, I won't accept telepathy exists until and unless we can establish a mechanism and some evidence, but the fact that we don't detect it with our electrical probes is not strong evidence against it.
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You seem to be suggesting the possible existence of some transmission mechanism unknown to modern science yet usable by the human brain.

That seems like bad Scifi or good fantasy fiction, not reasonable conjecture.

BTW: Every known capability of human beings plots similarly to a bell shaped curve. Some having less or very little & others having more or a a significanExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to be considered credible. Anecdotes without supporting evidence are not worthy of consideration.t amount, with many between the two extremes..

Telepathy believers seem to describe an ability that some have & most do not. Not a bell shaped curve.
This seems to be at least mild if not strong evidence against its existence.​

I and most rational folks do not accept unsubstantiated claims for unusual phenomena.
 
Dinosaur said:
That seems like bad Scifi or good fantasy fiction, not reasonable conjecture.
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Indeed.

But I'm not suggesting there is a mechanism, I'm simply saying that arguing something new doesn't exist because our electrical probes don't pick it up is not a string case.

Dinosaur said:
BTW: Every known capability of human beings plots similarly to a bell shaped curve.
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This is unsubstantiated, and a poor rationale for extrapolation.

Do we find Rh factor distributes on a bell curve between +ive and -ive?
Do we find gender distributes on a bell curve between male and female?
Do we find albinism distributes on a bell curve between pink eyes and other coloured eyes?

There are lots of traits that are extremely rare. They may be on a bell curve, but are extremely skewed towards one end, so that only one in many millions manifest such a trait.


To be clear, I'm not supporting telepathy, I'm simply poking holes in what I see as a weak argument for us skeptics.

By far the strongest evidence against telepathy is that it cannot be replicated under 3rd party controlled conditions. Until it can be, there's really no need to speculate.
 
Greatest I am said:
I do not see a mind in contact with another as able to lie to it as it would be seen as a lie.
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I didn't say lie. I was replying to a post which I perceived to be gibberish. I was suggesting that gibberish is similar to random numbers in that the receiver couldn't "cheat" by filling in the blanks - because he'd have no way of knowing what the blanks should be.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I was referring to your personal experience with your wife. That was the post I was responding to.
I thought you were telling me that you were able to replicate your ability.
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No can do unfortunately, or fortunately from her POV. It was not a pleasant experience for her. Not at the depth that I reached as compared to the replica-table work of Persinger and others.

Here is an example of other replica-table works.

http://www.noeticscience.co.uk/tag/telepathy/

Regards
DL
 
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I would surmise that, if telepathy were to be real, we have not discovered the transmission mechanism by which it occurs.
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I noticed the if in your Post, which makes your Post much less than a claim for its existence.

It suggests some transmission mechanism detectable by a human brain & not detectable by any of our current scientific instruments. Id est: A currently unknown transmission mechanism.



The statement reminds me of
If we had some Pixie dust, we could make strange phenomena occur.
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I posted the following
Every known capability of human beings plots similarly to a bell shaped curve.
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Referring to the above, DaveC426913 Post #36
This is unsubstantiated, and a poor rationale for extrapolation.

Do we find Rh factor distributes on a bell curve between +ive and -ive?
Do we find gender distributes on a bell curve between male and female?
Do we find albinism distributes on a bell curve between pink eyes and other coloured eyes?
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The traits I had in mind were abilities & characteristics like
Various measures of strength, visual acuity in the absence of corrective lenses, IQ test scores, quickness of reflexes, athletic coordination.
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Two of your examples occur with binary values (sex & the Rh factor), the third also has discrete values.

Note that believers in telepathy seem to claim that few have it & the rest of us do not. If telepathy existed would you not expect it to manifest more like visual acuity than like the Rh factor?
 
Dinosaur said:
From DaveC426913 Post #11I noticed the if in your Post, which makes your Post much less than a claim for its existence.

It suggests some transmission mechanism detectable by a human brain & not detectable by any of our current scientific instruments. Id est: A currently unknown transmission mechanism.
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I try to be open-minded to the possibility of things we have not discovered. While there is, in my opinion, no qualifying evidence to suggest that telepathy exists (and if I were a betting man, I would bet it does not) I would not go so far as to say I am sure it doesn't exist. Same wth God, UFOs and aliens.
 
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