Failed genius?

Magical Realist

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"Kim Ung-yong is a 48-year-old former child-prodigy who pushed the envelope on IQ at 210, getting a mention on the Guinness Book of World Records. But his life has been anything but “genius”. He’s had a pretty ordinary life. Still, he considers himself a success despite the lack of telltale (extraordinary) material or academic trappings.

He displayed amazing feats of intelligence shortly after his birth: speaking at four months, conversing fluently by six months, reading Korean, Japanese, German and English by 24 months. And by the time he was at the pre-school age of four, he was a celebrity solving complex calculus problems on Japanese television. Even in early childhood, he began to write poetry and was an amazing painter. Kim was a guest student of physics at Hanyang University from the age of three until he was six.

At the age of eight, the child was invited by America’s NASA and conducted research work for 10 years. He also received a Ph.D in physics at Colorado State University. But by 1978, he was burnt out and returned to his homeland. He surprised everyone by switching to civil engineering and later chose to work in a business planning department at Chungbuk Development Corporation.

The Korean media soon denounced him a “failed genius”.

But for so-called failed genius Kim Ung-yong, his life is anything but a failure. He’s happy to be an ordinary company worker, he said. He’s happy with his station in life and exactly the way he is.

"Apparently, the media belittled the fact that I chose to work in a business planning department at Chungbuk Development Corporation," Kim said regrettably.

"People expected me to become a high-ranking official in the government or a big company, but I don’t think just because I chose not to become the expected it gives anyone a right to call anyone’s life a failure," he explained.

Kim says his life is a great success and we agree that to the extent he has found his bliss, he surely is a successful man.

Indeed, at the end, isn’t that what we’re all ultimately after? Everything else is mere empty prop."===http://heuna.tumblr.com/post/2415073898/kim-ung-yong-a-child-prodigy-but-happiness-beats
 
Indeed, at the end, isn't that what we’re all ultimately after?

In the end I hope to die peacefully in my sleep. As far as what I did in life it really doesn't matter to anyone but me. I've been given awards, medals and ribbons for some of my accomplishments but I never asked for any of them and really didn't want them at all. They can take all of those things and throw them out the window for who I helped gave me much more of a good feeling than what I did working.
 
"Whenever I start thinking that I am not living up to my potential, I remind myself of the old farmer and his fight to the death with the insane pig. It's an exciting story, and it takes my mind off all this 'potential' business." - Jack Handey
 
"Whenever I start thinking that I am not living up to my potential, I remind myself of the old farmer and his fight to the death with the insane pig. It's an exciting story, and it takes my mind off all this 'potential' business." - Jack Handey
Good old Jack, he always puts things into perspective.:D
 
What are your thoughts on this, MR?
Or do you just find your happiness in a copy-paste job well done...?

I agree with the article that the genius is a success if he does what makes him feel happy. Is that enough? Did I pass the test?
 
I agree with the article that the genius is a success if he does what makes him feel happy. Is that enough? Did I pass the test?

I also think that "the genius" is largely a social construct, a value-laden ideal, that we learned to accept in school. History afterall is made by this geniuses who discover new theories and invent new technologies, right? But I think one can be a genius and not accomplish anything noteworthy. There may very well be guys with higher IQs than Einstein who work in comic book shops and live in urban efficiency apts. We need to accept that a person's mind is totally their own and is not some workhorse to be used for society to better itself with.
 
I also think that "the genius" is largely a social construct, a value-laden ideal, that we learned to accept in school. History afterall is made by this geniuses who discover new theories and invent new technologies, right? But I think one can be a genius and not accomplish anything noteworthy. There may very well be guys with higher IQs than Einstein who work in comic book shops and live in urban efficiency apts. We need to accept that a person's mind is totally their own and is not some workhorse to be used for society to better itself with.

Genius is not a social construct , they can really see , understand , and put two and two together and then extrapolate the consequence , in ways that the general population just simply cannot grasp

And some geniuses fall through the cracks
 
There may very well be guys with higher IQs than Einstein who work in comic book shops and live in urban efficiency apts.
Apparently most of the members of Mensa. :)

I've often thought that we should provide helpers for the "intellectually gifted" to take care of the mundane tasks like finding jobs, etc. so that the intellectual gifts could be used for loftier purposes.

But what do I know?
 
I agree with the article that the genius is a success if he does what makes him feel happy. Is that enough? Did I pass the test?
I suppose from a strictly personal perspective that's a satisfactory definition of "success." But since Homo sapiens is a social species and has, in the past few millennia, established a global civilization that advances more-or-less steadily with occasional backslides, I suggest that the definition of "success" is: you gave back more to civilization than you took from it, thereby contributing to its advance.
 
But since Homo sapiens is a social species and has, in the past few millennia, established a global civilization that advances more-or-less steadily with occasional backslides, I suggest that the definition of "success" is: you gave back more to civilization than you took from it, thereby contributing to its advance.
Hmmm.

Contrast:

Or as we are on the topic of failed genius, a non-contributor to his civilization, here's a Hollywood movie quote from a (probably) very intelligent scriptwriter, put in the mouth of an underperforming genius being pressured to contribute more to his civilization:
Will: Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at the N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people that I never met and that I never had no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number was called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes home to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's walking to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the schrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorroids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure, fuck it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job and give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president
 
Many people have different savants, strengths, superior abilities,etc... The ability to see pattern where others see only noise and chaos can be a detriment or curse as well as a blessing.
We do not live in a meritocracy, and that makes all the difference.
Define success, then we all die.
 
Many people have different savants, strengths, superior abilities,etc... The ability to see pattern where others see only noise and chaos can be a detriment or curse as well as a blessing.
We do not live in a meritocracy, and that makes all the difference.
Define success, then we all die.
Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have. (Hope you're mistaken about that 'we all die' bit)
 
Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have. (Hope you're mistaken about that 'we all die' bit)

Very Zen Landau.

(not today, anyway)
 
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I agree with the article that the genius is a success if he does what makes him feel happy. Is that enough? Did I pass the test?
No, you failed miserably. Selfishness is not success. Lying/self deceit is the 'icing' on said cake. Success is unattainable without genuine love for God, the ultimate act of selflessness to be flawlessly mirrored by those created in the Image of the One Who expresses Love/selflessness perfectly...under current existing conditions, this is humanly impossible.
 
"I agree with the article that the genius is a success if he does what makes him feel happy. Is that enough? Did I pass the test?"

No, you failed miserably. Selfishness is not success.
Why is it that fundies so invariably confuse doing what makes you happy with being selfish?

Two possibilities: 1) they believe selfishness makes one happy 2) they believe happiness is a characteristic sign of having acted selfishly.

Option 2 there disturbs - since, if they are projecting their own mental dysfunctions unto others as people blind to them tend to, they will set out to both prevent people from seeking happiness and encourage selfish behaviors that lead to unhappiness: and they are a powerful political faction in the US.
 
Very Zen Landau.
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If you meet a zen master on the road. Don't say 'yes'. Don't say 'no'. Rather give him a sudden uppercut to the jaw, and you will be called one who understands zen.
 
Why is it that fundies so invariably confuse doing what makes you happy with being selfish?

Two possibilities: 1) they believe selfishness makes one happy 2) they believe happiness is a characteristic sign of having acted selfishly.

Option 2 there disturbs - since, if they are projecting their own mental dysfunctions unto others as people blind to them tend to, they will set out to both prevent people from seeking happiness and encourage selfish behaviors that lead to unhappiness: and they are a powerful political faction in the US.

Why is it you are continually shallow in your understanding?...because your prejudice/hatred/selfishness limit your comprehension. True happiness is the result of my previous comments. (You make known to me the paths of life; in your presence is fullness of joy; at thy right hand are pleasures forevermore.") The key to attaining this is the initiative of God Himself. Barring that, any happiness you think you attain is simply part and parcel of the deception enveloping your mind. Only those with a modicum of honesty understand that true happiness is unattainable and every attempt at approaching it merely an approximation...all such efforts are futile as they are ultimately unsatisfying.
 
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