Exactly HOW does light illuminate matter?

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I know that matter is hit by photons/waves that are reflected off its surface. But what is really going on down at the quantum level? Do the photons only strike the electron shells surrounding the nuclei of atoms? Or do they penetrate all the way to the nuclei? Are they absorbed and then reemitted from matter as a totally new photon/wave? Why does transparent matter not react like this? If light can pass thru glass atoms, why does it bounce off mirror atoms?


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I know that matter is hit by photons/waves that are reflected off its surface. But what is really going on down at the quantum level? Do the photons only strike the electron shells surrounding the nuclei of atoms? Or do they penetrate all the way to the nuclei? Are they absorbed and then reemitted from matter as a totally new photon/wave? Why does transparent matter not react like this? If light can pass thru glass atoms, why does it bounce off mirror atoms?


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First off, just to be clear and honest, I cannot state that my answer is either exact or correct.

Could you possibly imagine that it might be that once the photon/wave of light meets/strikes/reflects/bounces off or otherwise interacts with a physical object/surface that it in someway is affected by another fundamental quantum actuality?
Might this illuminated/reflected photon/wave then be subject to some other quantum law?
Might there possibly be a fundamental "speed of dark" that then in some way comes into affect?
As an experiment, you might try introducing an instantaneous source of light into a completely darkened room.
How long does it take the room to be completely illuminated after the light is turned on?
How long does it take the room to return to it's previous state after the light is turned off?
Are the measured times the exact same intervals?
Repeat the experiment in a darkened room, covered on all six surfaces with mirrors.
Do these measured times/intervals match exactly the previous experiment?

Could you possibly imagine that it might be that this is what scientists have known for years to be what is referred to as "The Fundamental PEBCAK Effect"?
 
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Why does transparent matter not react like this? If light can pass thru glass atoms, why does it bounce off mirror atoms?

Different materials have a different spectrum of light, determined by their chemical properties, that they can absorb. For example, atoms in glass have no available energy levels above their highest one, preventing the absorption of a photon. However, glass does not allow all IR or UV light to pass through it, due to the fact that the vibrational modes of the atoms can absorb lower energy photons. In general, the transparency of a material is determined by the allowed atomic energy levels (such as the electron energy levels, along with rotational and vibrational modes). Similarly, Earth's atmosphere scatters only certain frequencies of the visible spectrum, and so our eyes have evolved to see these frequencies.
 
I don't know how much experience you have with quantum mechanics, so apologies if I'm going over stuff you already know. For any quantum system, the Hamiltonian H describes the energy of the system. H, like just about everything else in quantum mechanics, is an operator, so for a given state of the system $$|\phi\rangle$$, applying H will return another state that may or may not be a scalar multiple of the first. The states that do map to themselves under H (ie. $$H|\phi\rangle=k|\phi\rangle$$ are called the eigenstates of H. According to the Schrodinger equation, repeatedly applying H tells us how the system evolves with time. Because of this, the eigenstates of H can be thought of as the "steady states" of the system that do not change with time. For a more general state, time evolution can be determined by writing the state as a sum of eigenstates, then calculating how the different eigenstates interfere with each other as time progresses.

To see why light reflects in the ways that it does, we can look at the eigenstates of the electromagnetic Hamiltonian that governs light. In a vacuum, the eigenstates of H are "plane waves", which oscillate as sine waves in the direction in which the light is propagating and don't vary at all in the other directions. The presence of an atom changes this Hamiltonian because an electromagnetic field interacts with the atom's electrons. (The field also interacts with the nucleus, but the nucleus is much heavier and the electrons shield it, so it's a good approximation to treat the nucleus as fixed and just think about how incoming light affects the electrons.) This new Hamiltonian has a set of spherically symmetric eigenstates that radiate outward from the atom.

We want to know what happens to a photon that comes in from far away, interacts with the atom, and leaves. In this scenario, both sets of eigenstates come into play, so we have to combine them into what are called "scattering" eigenstates. Scattering is a difficult topic (I'm actually taking a course this term that will hopefully refresh my memory on how to deal with it), but if you're really interested in the math it's covered in any graduate-level QM textbook. Qualitatively, the main thing you have to know is that one can determine how strongly the two sets of eigenstates mix together depending on two things: the strength of the light-matter interaction and the spatial overlap of the two eigenstates with each other. If these factors are small, the scattering eigenstates will look mostly like the free space eigenstates, with a small perturbation due to the atom. If the factors are large, the scattering eigenstates will be heavily perturbed and will have a lot of spherical character.

This all describes how light will scatter from a single atom. When we put many atoms together in a solid, all of their individual scattering patterns will interfere with each other, giving rise to a collective pattern. This means that the scattering properties of each atom and the spatial arrangement of all the atoms, taken together, tell us everything about how an object reflects light. In some cases, when the scattering effect is strong, it makes sense to talk about the atoms absorbing and re-emitting light. Any opaque or mirrored object is a good example of this. In such cases, the atoms on the surface of the object absorb incoming light and re-emit it in a spherical pattern. Light that is re-emitted away from the surface of the object goes on its merry way, while light emitted in the other direction hits the next layer of atoms and is scattered again. Each consecutive scattering exponentially decreases the probability that a given photon will still be travelling into the object, so a think enough object will scatter essentially all incoming light back the way it came. If the object's atoms are regularly spaced in such a way that their scattering patterns interfere coherently on a large scale, the patterns in the incoming light can be preserved during re-emission, and the surface will be reflective. If the atoms are not regularly spaced, re-emission will effectively randomize the incoming light, giving rise to a more "matte" appearance.

In other cases, when the scattering effect is weak, it makes more sense to think of the atoms as perturbing the trajectory of the light without ever actually absorbing it. (Just about everything does absorb light at some rate, but with weak scattering that isn't the dominant effect on incoming light.) This is the case in transparent materials. If the atoms of such a material are not regularly spaced, the weak scattering can lead to visible effects, even if very little light is absorbed; think of the way an object underwater appears to distort and ripple as the water moves around. If the atoms are regularly spaced in such a way that their collective scattering patterns interfere destructively, it's possible for light to pass through with almost no changes at all. This is what's happening in glass: the crystal structure of the atoms counteracts what little scattering is happening, so light passes straight through. Any disruption to the crystal pattern will break the interference and make the scattering visible again, which is why the surface of a glass is somewhat reflective.

As a final cool example, in some crystals the overlaps between the two kinds of eigenstates depends on the direction of the incoming electromagnetic field, so the scattering effect is different for different light polarizations. This gives rise to birefringence. Hope that helps!
 
Thanks to both MarkM125 and Fednis48. Good explanations to the extent that I understood them. I'm pretty much a layman in this area.
 
Thanks to both MarkM125 and Fednis48. Good explanations to the extent that I understood them. I'm pretty much a layman in this area.
Here's a good video which illustrates reflection with a classical example. Skip to 19:20

[video=youtube;BUpoShyyWDg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUpoShyyWDg[/video]


There's this crappy animation at 13:37 which is very imprecise.
 
What is amazing to me is that the basics of many sciences used to be fairly well covered in Grade School, and today...!?
When I was a young man (I've been told that I am a "Baby Boomer"),people used to tell "Pollock" or "Blond" jokes.
These days you can tell the same Joke and begin it with : "This average citizen walks into a..." or " Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and an average American were..."!
A quote attributed to Winston Churchill (supposedly said during 1940's/1950's) is: "The best argument against Democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average American".
If he were alive and cognizant today - do you suppose that he would think that things had improved?

Along those lines - I was trying to install a program on my computer, and an on screen prompt instructed me to press the [any] key on my keyboard - I just have a regular keyboard, and it does not seem to have an [any] key. (I have looked - repeatedly) Do I have to buy a "Computer Programming Keyboard", or is there a work-around that I can use? I could really use assistance because the program I was attempting to install will figure the MPG of my car - I know that I went 570 miles and used 20 gallons of gas to do it, but it would take a rocket scientist to figure out the MPG. That program would be very useful.
Maybe there is somewhere that I can rent or lease a computer keyboard with an [any] key!

Hope you can appreciate my weird humor?
 
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Along those lines - I was trying to install a program on my computer, and an on screen prompt instructed me to press the [any] key on my keyboard - I just have a regular keyboard, and it does not seem to have an [any] key. (I have looked - repeatedly) Do I have to buy a "Computer Programming Keyboard", or is there a work-around that I can use? I could really use assistance because the program I was attempting to install will figure the MPG of my car - I know that I went 570 miles and used 20 gallons of gas to do it, but it would take a rocket scientist to figure out the MPG. That program would be very useful.
Maybe there is somewhere that I can rent or lease a computer keyboard with an [any] key!

Hope you can appreciate my weird humor?

I think your plight can certainly be appreciated by the common American man.

[video=youtube;sPDoZO5Tm_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPDoZO5Tm_k[/video]​

(Yes, Homer's much fatter than usual in this episode, the extra fat gets in the way of his brain neurons and makes him even dumber, it's genius)
 
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