Ether model

DaveC426913 said:
This sounds like word salad.
How does one elicit a selectively-etheric energy?
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I wouldn't explain the details, of the field-test setup I mentioned, over the Internet.

If I may suggest, to clarify what strikes you as "a word salad," you could go through discussions I have posted on my ether model before in this Thread, to get a better perspective on what the latest post said.
 
Michael Anteski said:
I wouldn't explain the details, of the field-test setup I mentioned, over the Internet.
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You don't have to go into details. You could simply use known words with known meaning to describe what "elicit a selectively-etheric energy" means.

Without that, your theory holds no more weight than if I were to say "If we elicit faerie-magical energy, we can show that objects exposed to faerie-magic will have less mass. How I elicit faerie magical energy is my secret."

Or, more generally "If we can produce hypothetical property X, then it will show that unprecedented effect Y will result. I won't tell you how to X."

Substitute any imaginary property for X. Magic, ghosts, pixie dust, bananas - and I've got a theory as valid as yours.
 
Michael Anteski said: ↑
I wouldn't explain the details, of the field-test setup I mentioned, over the Internet.
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Agreed but ;


DaveC426913 said:
You don't have to go into details. You could simply use known words with known meaning to describe what "elicit a selectively-etheric energy" means.

Without that, your theory holds no more weight than if I were to say "If we elicit faerie-magical energy, we can show that objects exposed to faerie-magic will have less mass. How I elicit faerie magical energy is my secret."

Or, more generally "If we can produce hypothetical property X, then it will show that unprecedented effect Y will result. I won't tell you how to X."

Substitute any imaginary property for X. Magic, ghosts, pixie dust, bananas - and I've got a theory as valid as yours.
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Agreed
 
By saying "eliciting a selectively-etheric energy field," what I meant was that you would start with a design for a new kind of field-test, designed to generate a field of energy made up predominantly of etheric energy units. (The energy fields we are familiar with, using our quantum technologies, contain a prominent amount of quantum energy units, such as electrons.)

To be precise according to my ether model, even those familiar energy fields, while they contain prominent amounts of quantum units like electrons, which we are able to detect and measure, even those fields contain still-larger amounts of accompanying ether units, which we do not detect and measure.. -To get a clear picture of how all this would work in my ether model, you would have to review earlier posts, where I went into how my ether model would explain phenomena like quantum entanglement, the propagation of light, gravitation, and other phenomena, with an open mind to how my ether model necessarily deviates from the familiar models of quantum physics, which denies that an ether exists.
 
Michael Anteski said:
By saying "eliciting a selectively-etheric energy field," what I meant was that you would start with a design for a new kind of field-test, designed to generate a field of energy made up predominantly of etheric energy units. (The energy fields we are familiar with, using our quantum technologies, contain a prominent amount of quantum energy units, such as electrons.)

To be precise according to my ether model, even those familiar energy fields, while they contain prominent amounts of quantum units like electrons, which we are able to detect and measure, even those fields contain still-larger amounts of accompanying ether units, which we do not detect and measure.. -To get a clear picture of how all this would work in my ether model, you would have to review earlier posts, where I went into how my ether model would explain phenomena like quantum entanglement, the propagation of light, gravitation, and other phenomena, with an open mind to how my ether model necessarily deviates from the familiar models of quantum physics, which denies that an ether exists.
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I agree with you an ether does exist . Einstein left it out in his equations , why I don't know .

Michael at least start me off with a post# . It to daunting to go through all your posts .
 
Michael Anteski said:
By saying "eliciting a selectively-etheric energy field," what I meant was that you would start with a design for a new kind of field-test, designed to generate a field of energy made up predominantly of etheric energy units. (The energy fields we are familiar with, using our quantum technologies, contain a prominent amount of quantum energy units, such as electrons.)
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OK got it.

So, in my theory, all we have to do is design a test that generates pixie dust energy units.

Michael Anteski said:
To be precise according to my ether model, even those familiar energy fields, while they contain prominent amounts of quantum units like electrons, which we are able to detect and measure, even those fields contain still-larger amounts of accompanying ether units, which we do not detect and measure..
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Yes. Much like my theory, which I say, contains prominent amounts of pixie dust.

Michael Anteski said:
-To get a clear picture of how all this would work in my ether model, you would have to review earlier posts, where I went into how my ether model would explain phenomena like quantum entanglement, the propagation of light, gravitation, and other phenomena, with an open mind to how my ether model necessarily deviates from the familiar models of quantum physics, which denies that an ether exists.
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Ah yes. Just like my pixie dust theory.


Do you see the problem? I can make a theory as self-consistent as I want, but if there is no test that makes predictions, it's not worth a hill of beans.

And it doesn't count to say "all I need do is make a test that detects my theory's units.".
 
river said:
I agree with you an ether does exist . Einstein left it out in his equations , why I don't know .
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:DChildren, you can find more detail of the above fairy tale in the Grimm Brothers/Hans Christian Anderson/Walt Disney section of your Library under fairy tales.


For the grown ups, Einstein left the ether out of his equations because it was experimentaly shown that the ether does not exist, and only a topological framework we call spacetime, that is bent, warped, twisted in the presence of mass/energy, and which photons/light are seen to follow geodesic paths in that same curved/warped/twisted spacetime.
More details of the spacetime cosmology can be found in the sciences sections under astronomy/cosmology for any needed elaboration on those facts.
 
paddoboy said:
:DChildren, you can find more detail of the above fairy tale in the Grimm Brothers/Hans Christian Anderson/Walt Disney section of your Library under fairy tales.


For the grown ups, Einstein left the ether out of his equations because it was experimentaly shown that the ether does not exist, and only a topological framework we call spacetime, that is bent, warped, twisted in the presence of mass/energy, and which photons/light are seen to follow geodesic paths in that same curved/warped/twisted spacetime.
More details of the spacetime cosmology can be found in the sciences sections under astronomy/cosmology for any needed elaboration on those facts.
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From what I have read , Einstein left out ether , which he knew to be a real thing ; because it would complicate the mathematics .
 
My Ether Model relies on more than a potential secret field test.. My model starts with a model for first-cause, in which original-space oscillated, then transitioned, to a universal ether, consisting predominantly of elemental, ultra-minuscule, units. Then the model shows how that logically could have produced larger and larger units, in a logical march all the way to quantum-force units and atoms.

I claim that such a full picture, from the beginning to the present, cannot be matched by any other model - for example the Big Bang theories. A viewer can go to the beginning of this Thread, and read along, to confirm this for themselves.
 
Michael Anteski said:
My Ether Model relies on more than a potential secret field test.. My model starts with a model for first-cause, in which original-space oscillated, then transitioned, to a universal ether, consisting predominantly of elemental, ultra-minuscule, units. Then the model shows how that logically could have produced larger and larger units, in a logical march all the way to quantum-force units and atoms.

I claim that such a full picture, from the beginning to the present, cannot be matched by any other model - for example the Big Bang theories. A viewer can go to the beginning of this Thread, and read along, to confirm this for themselves.
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You are avoiding the question.

The question was: what testable predictions does your idea make?

If there is no test whose results distinguish it from our current models, then it's not a theory.
And again "Some test that produces my ether" doesn't count.
 
I think my ether model makes the most sense, even without having a field test to prove it.

If you look at just two of the ether model's sub-models, i.e., quantum entanglement, and the question of how quantal waveforms get generated, the way my overall model puts them into perspective should be enough for the model to attract serious attention in physics. -The key concept is that there exists an undetected vibrational etheric dynamic system underlying our quantum system of forces.

The way my ether model explains quantum entanglement is that it represents radiated packets of etheric energy which have the same vibratory pattern. Elemental ether units are the only actual participants in that phenomenon, with the quantum units kinetically "walled off," like the cool "arms"of a quiet, purring, universal, ether mechanism. The idea is that the ether vibratory dynamic underlies our familiar quantum dynamics (which operate via mechanisms like spin, waves, distance-vectors, and the like. A necessary, but reasonable, assumption here is that the underlying vibratory ether dynamic is virtually perfect, or "ideal."

Part of this model for entanglement involves the concept that the elemental ether units themselves make up the structure of the quantum units, because quantum units, like all energy units up to the size of atoms, have been built up through the aggregation of the same elemental ether units. The same type of elemental ether units also constitute a universal ether matrix, existing between the quantum units.

Applying this kind of model to the question of how quantum waveforms are generated, the concept would be that energy waves we see at our quantum level are generated by a process going on in the underlying ether. -With this concept, if any outside force (such as electrical energy from an electric terminal, or a source of light energy) impinges upon an un-energized region of the ether (where the elemental ether units are vibrating randomly and quietly), the effect of the linearity of the outside energy exerts a linear effect upon the ether there. Now, the ether units begin to align, and the entrain, with each other, inducing them to aggregate into larger and larger energy units, up to the size scale of quantum units like electrons or photons (depending on the vibratory pattern, that of electrical or light waves.).

It's still a theoretic problem in physics how the very large numbers of electrons (or in the case of light transmissions, photons) appear in these transmissions. The numbers of photons can be in the trillions. With my ether model, these units have simply been generated from the regional ether. The peak of an energy wave represents a cascade of larger energy units from the energized ether. The wave's "trough" represents a die-back of the larger units, as the ether returns to its un-energized state, with elemental ether units again predominating. (An analogy can be drawn here with the way ocean waves break on the seashore. The "peak" of the wave crashes on the shore, followed by a "trough" as the water gently recedes back toward the ocean.)

My ether model can be applied to the other thorny problems in phenomenology, just as well as with the cases of quantum entanglement and the formation of energy waves.
 
Michael Anteski said:
The key concept is that there exists an undetected vibrational etheric dynamic system underlying our quantum system of forces.
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So IMAGINATION (The key concept is that there exists an undetected vibrational etheric dynamic system underlying our quantum system of forces) is a gigantic ingredient

You missed a ULTIMATE key component - Pink Unicorn Farts

Michael Anteski said:
attract serious attention in physics
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No serious Scientists will take anything unless Pink Unicorn Farts are included. Although I have heard some scientists on the fringe toy with Blue Unicorn Farts but I understand they all live in a supervised compound with foam rubber walls and take lots of drugs

:)
 
Michael 345 said:
So IMAGINATION (The key concept is that there exists an undetected vibrational etheric dynamic system underlying our quantum system of forces) is a gigantic ingredient

You missed a ULTIMATE key component - Pink Unicorn Farts



No serious Scientists will take anything unless Pink Unicorn Farts are included. Although I have heard some scientists on the fringe toy with Blue Unicorn Farts but I understand they all live in a supervised compound with foam rubber walls and take lots of drugs

:)
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Vibration needs a medium . Is this not True Michael 345 ?
 
river said:
Vibration needs a medium . Is this not True Michael 345 ?
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In my ether model, the way vibration started was that ultimately-rarified, elemental, "points" within a first-causal universal oscillation of (the only possible universal substrate which could have produced a universal ether), original-space, underwent oscillatory fatigue, in which adjacent elemental point-localities fell together into Yin Yang couplets. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.) Then, within that oscillational substrate, the couplets necessarily had to equilibrate, so that they reverted to singleton elemental units, which then were out of phase with the oscillations, which broke the symmetry of the oscillation, so that reciprocal oscillations became independent vibrations of intimately-neighboring elemental units, which interacted with each other, in what was now a universal ether, via an intimate-contact vibration mechanism.

River, if you want to check on this model independently, you could search any of these terms in Wikipedia, such as "equilibration," etc.
 
Michael Anteski said:
In my ether model, the way vibration started was that ultimately-rarified, elemental, "points" within a first-causal universal oscillation of (the only possible universal substrate which could have produced a universal ether), original-space, underwent oscillatory fatigue, in which adjacent elemental point-localities fell together into Yin Yang couplets. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in metals.) Then, within that oscillational substrate, the couplets necessarily had to equilibrate, so that they reverted to singleton elemental units, which then were out of phase with the oscillations, which broke the symmetry of the oscillation, so that reciprocal oscillations became independent vibrations of intimately-neighboring elemental units, which interacted with each other, in what was now a universal ether, via an intimate-contact vibration mechanism.

River, if you want to check on this model independently, you could search any of these terms in Wikipedia, such as "equilibration," etc.
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Points need to be fundamentally changed to Spheres . Two dimensional objects , to three dimensional objects . Why ? Because two dimensions can't explain the whole of the object . Two dimensions has No Substance .
 
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