Magical Realist
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Early report UFO Australia
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Neither have I, but I have seen enough, probably more then you, to conclude that MR is conducting a fraudulent exercise, including those ones to which you are referring: What you may have missed is that he denies any possible astronomical, meteorological or human affliction that could also be a cause. He simply denies all forms of possible solutions other than supernatural or paranormal or alien.
In other words, in my case certainly, and I presume the others that cross swords with him, the small percentage of sightings that remain unexplained are simply just that...unexplained and unidentified. Could it be Aliens, yes possibly, but imo the chances are remote for the many reasons I have given.
UFO's is what I accept due to lack of conclusive evidence to label it anything in particular.
Funny, I partially agree, possibly any one of what you mention, but no extraordinary evidence to confidently support any of those. It remains a UFO.
The 5% you talk about have I suggest undergone further scrutiny over and above, but they still lack the extraordinary evidence to claim with any certainty they are Aliens, time travellers, interdimensional beings or any other dreamt up entity that MR might be inclined to accept.
So how long are they going to continue to play with us? How long have they been playing with us? Why would they simply just want to play with us?Sure if they are visiting us, thay are probably thousands of years ahead of us, and advanced enough to understand that we, us, humans, are not just mindless primitive life, and to use an analogy, anywhere near the difference to ants on a hill are to us.
I'm sure, if we are being visited, that they are advanced and intelligent enough to accept we are not just ants [we can go to the Moon, have a space station, can fly around the Globe at will etc etc]
And unlike Hawking's suggestions, I do not believe they would be aggressive since at their advanced state, they would not really want for anything.
But perhaps I'm just an old fashion optimist.
The bottom line though is as yet we do not have sufficient evidence to conclude what that 5% are.
There aint a person on this forum, more confident then I that other life forms exist within our Universe. But sadly, I also recognise that other then the near infinite nature of the universe, and the near infinite content in the universe, and the stuff of life being everywhere we look, that we still lack any hard evidence to validate what I believe and what most others I suggest also believe.
My greatest wish is to have that finally confirmed before I kick the bucket.
Oh and if you have missed it, I have also seen a UFO, around 20 years ago while driving,.... a sky blue disk on the horizon, moving parallel to it for about a minute before disappearing.
I arose early next morning to check the papers for other reports...none.
It was simply unexplained, and unknown.
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It's clear government agencies particularly the military have a consistent track record of putting out deliberate misinfo/disinfo on UFO incidents. Witness the already well established contrast between the Air Force explanation vs Criticisms of the Air Force explanation re that Washington DC 1952 incident I linked to in #11. No guesses as to who was being honest and who wasn't. And of course they have fellow travelers salted throughout the media and elsewhere.
I certainly don't buy any stories of 'secret alien-government joint agreements' or the like. Just paranoid fear of public paranoid fear most likely explains it.
Interesting you had that encounter. I never have except for the false 'Whitman's blimp' event reported by many quite a few years ago.Neither have I, but I have seen enough, probably more then you, to conclude that MR is conducting a fraudulent exercise, including those ones to which you are referring: What you may have missed is that he denies any possible astronomical, meteorological or human affliction that could also be a cause. He simply denies all forms of possible solutions other than supernatural or paranormal or alien.
In other words, in my case certainly, and I presume the others that cross swords with him, the small percentage of sightings that remain unexplained are simply just that...unexplained and unidentified. Could it be Aliens, yes possibly, but imo the chances are remote for the many reasons I have given.
UFO's is what I accept due to lack of conclusive evidence to label it anything in particular.
Funny, I partially agree, possibly any one of what you mention, but no extraordinary evidence to confidently support any of those. It remains a UFO.
The 5% you talk about have I suggest undergone further scrutiny over and above, but they still lack the extraordinary evidence to claim with any certainty they are Aliens, time travellers, interdimensional beings or any other dreamt up entity that MR might be inclined to accept.
Sure if they are visiting us, thay are probably thousands of years ahead of us, and advanced enough to understand that we, us, humans, are not just mindless primitive life, and to use an analogy, anywhere near the difference to ants on a hill are to us.
I'm sure, if we are being visited, that they are advanced and intelligent enough to accept we are not just ants [we can go to the Moon, have a space station, can fly around the Globe at will etc etc]
And unlike Hawking's suggestions, I do not believe they would be aggressive since at their advanced state, they would not really want for anything.
But perhaps I'm just an old fashion optimist.
The bottom line though is as yet we do not have sufficient evidence to conclude what that 5% are.
There aint a person on this forum, more confident then I that other life forms exist within our Universe. But sadly, I also recognise that other then the near infinite nature of the universe, and the near infinite content in the universe, and the stuff of life being everywhere we look, that we still lack any hard evidence to validate what I believe and what most others I suggest also believe.
My greatest wish is to have that finally confirmed before I kick the bucket.
Oh and if you have missed it, I have also seen a UFO, around 20 years ago while driving,.... a sky blue disk on the horizon, moving parallel to it for about a minute before disappearing.
I arose early next morning to check the papers for other reports...none.
It was simply unexplained, and unknown.
Regarding all the rest there, will just say that of the modest investigation into the subject I have done, of all the researchers I know one name stands out imo as the benchmark - Jacques Vallee.
Magical Realist
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There's so much lying and disinformation from the military regarding ufos. Witness the flare fiasco of the Phoenix lights. Those went off about an hour after the sightings, and were claimed to be the cause of the sightings. In the Stephenville case they initially denied having jets in the area. Then they retracted that and said they did. In the Portage County UFO chase they dismissed the whole thing as the planet Venus and denied sending up jets even though 4 officers saw them from the ground. It's all just to cover their ass. "UFOS? Uh er no..there's no ufos in OUR protected air space!"
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Magical Realist
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Jacques Vallee definitely has some of the best research on the subject of UFOs. John Keel also presents some interesting perspectives, but I don't agree with everything he says. One interesting point he raises that is relevant to the OP is that when ufos change their frequency to appear in our dimension they take on a bluish violet appearance. When they turn reddish yellow, they are solidifying into a more dense form of matter. Right before their metallic solid state. Interesting though highly speculative..But we need some creative thought in this field.
"If they are not an advanced race from the future, are we dealing instead with a parallel universe, another dimension where there are other human races living, and where we may go at our expense, never to return to the present? From that mysterious universe, are higher beings projecting objects that can materialize and dematerialize at will? Are UFOS "windows" rather than "objects"?"----Jacques Vallee
"Human beings are under the control of a strange force that bends them in absurd ways, forcing them to play a role in a bizarre game of deception."---Jacques Vallee
"It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors, and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."---JIMMY CARTER, remark during 1976 Presidential campaign
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I guess my question, and one that has never been sufficiently answered... is why? Why would the Military/Government/Whomever this mysterious "They" is... why would they lie about the existence of UFO's?
Especially America... I'd think we'd be all "Haha, we have alien plasma blaster tech bitches! WHAT NOW RUSSIA!?" and the sort...
Especially America... I'd think we'd be all "Haha, we have alien plasma blaster tech bitches! WHAT NOW RUSSIA!?" and the sort...
Magical Realist
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It's an embarrassment for them that there can be unidentified craft in our protected air space. It makes them look like idiots. They're just protecting their reputation.
Or possibly any other more natural causes as a result of atmospheric anomalies and such, including the more common human afflictions.
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So, Jimmy saw a UFO and identified it as such!
So have I!
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Sometimes I try and figure a motive for posters randomly reviving a forgotten thread. My best shot this instance is to note comment here:Captain Kirk
Boldly going where no intergalactic comedian has gone before
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/never-simply-rely-on-authority-figures.158899/page-3#post-3446247
And btw imo if only Captain Kirk (and rest of stereotyped crew) was funny, maybe Star Trek would have risen above mediocrity.
No real motive
Yep I am on holiday and bored and looking through old post
This is Nyepi day so everyone is expected to be quiet so the bad spirit get bored with nothing happening and leave
Nyepi Day in Bali is a New Year celebration unlike anywhere else on the planet. Bali’s celebrates the Saka New Year as the Bali Day of Silence, an ultimately quietest day of the year, when all of the island's inhabitants abide by a set of local rules, which brings all routine activities to a complete halt. Roads all over Bali are void of any traffic and nobody steps outside of their home premises. Most Balinese and visitors regard it as a much-anticipated occasion. Some expats and those coming from neighbouring islands prefer escaping Bali for the day rather, due to restrictions that surround the observance. Some visitors check coinciding dates ahead before their Bali trip, avoiding it altogether. Anyhow, Nyepi is worth experiencing at least once in a lifetime, especially since the preceding and following days offer rare highlights to behold!
Read more at: http://www.bali-indonesia.com/information/nyepi-day.htm?cid=ch:OTH:001
From tomorrow I have until 21 July to have fun so a day doing nothing no problem
Since I arrived at hotel 02:30 Monday morning shopped for essential during the day doing nothing is a good idea
And in over 30 holidays I have only been here for about 4 Nyepi days
Yes it could have been a camp comedy show
Yes the crew was stereotyped
It did break some new ground and I like to think it encouraged interest in Science
Once a year is not so bad. Orthodox Jews bear a similar affliction (apart from the silence bit) one day in every seven. And deep down I just know this has some bearing on UFO's sighted in Oz. Just can't put the finger on it.No real motive
Yep I am on holiday and bored and looking through old post
This is Nyepi day so everyone is expected to be quiet so the bad spirit get bored with nothing happening and leave
Nyepi Day in Bali is a New Year celebration unlike anywhere else on the planet. Bali’s celebrates the Saka New Year as the Bali Day of Silence, an ultimately quietest day of the year, when all of the island's inhabitants abide by a set of local rules, which brings all routine activities to a complete halt. Roads all over Bali are void of any traffic and nobody steps outside of their home premises. Most Balinese and visitors regard it as a much-anticipated occasion. Some expats and those coming from neighbouring islands prefer escaping Bali for the day rather, due to restrictions that surround the observance. Some visitors check coinciding dates ahead before their Bali trip, avoiding it altogether. Anyhow, Nyepi is worth experiencing at least once in a lifetime, especially since the preceding and following days offer rare highlights to behold!
Read more at: http://www.bali-indonesia.com/information/nyepi-day.htm?cid=ch:OTH:001
From tomorrow I have until 21 July to have fun so a day doing nothing no problem
Since I arrived at hotel 02:30 Monday morning shopped for essential during the day doing nothing is a good idea
And in over 30 holidays I have only been here for about 4 Nyepi days
As long as 'fiction' is tacked on the end of 'science' - I agree. A now departed member would disagree that 'warp drive' or even 'beam me up Scotty' was pure fantasy. But I guess there was some encouragement for kids so inclined to think about a career with NASA or even just in astronomy/astrophysics.Yes it could have been a camp comedy show
Yes the crew was stereotyped
It did break some new ground and I like to think it encouraged interest in Science
No bearing just the comment re
My 'gut feeling' for a long time has been these entities, whoever/whatever they are, like to play with us
struck me funny that a space craft which must be worth gazillions $s of Earth money (not sure of the home planets price) and which has traveled gazillions of kilometres has a Captain Kirk entity who would play with us
I would disagree with the departed member
warp drive and beam me up Scotty are pure fantasy
However I hold out a 0.000001% hope they might eventuate
Then you have forgotten my stated pov on all the UFO/ghosts/mystery-lights type phenomena. Re UFO's being nothing more than advanced, alien piloted spacecraft zooming in from some other solar system, is the very least likely scenario. My overall judgement is the ~ 5% of unexplained cases are really 'otherworldly' but not in that popular 50's flying saucer mold. Have you read anything by Jacques Vallee on the topic? Try a StartPage web search and achieve a better way to relieve any boredom.No bearing just the comment re
My 'gut feeling' for a long time has been these entities, whoever/whatever they are, like to play with us
struck me funny that a space craft which must be worth gazillions $s of Earth money (not sure of the home planets price) and which has traveled gazillions of kilometres has a Captain Kirk entity who would play with us
Pure fantasy just might eventuate? Fair enough, I suppose, in an incredulous sort of way.I would disagree with the departed member
warp drive and beam me up Scotty are pure fantasy
However I hold out a 0.000001% hope they might eventuate
