Dr. Ray Brown's Discovery of an aincient technology!

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  1. Time/02112 Senior Member Registered Senior Member

    I heard about this in the 70's, and have heard nothing more since. I sure would like to use this post to conclude a follow up series. Please post your comments & additional information if you find any.




    Another unusual crystal find bears directly upon the use of crystals as the generator of a universal form of power. In 1970, Dr. Ray Brown, a naturopathic practitioner from Mesa, Arizona, was scuba diving with friends near the Bari islands, Bahamas, in an area 20 miles from the edge of a submarine drop-off called the Tongue of the Ocean.
    During the dive, Brown became separated from his companions, and in trying to rejoin them, suddenly saw a strange pyramid shape looming up against the aquamarine light. The pyramid was situated 22 fathoms down, stood 120 feet high, with only 90 feet projecting out of the sea floor shifting sands. Brown was at first struck by how smooth and mirror-like the stone surface of the structure was, with the joints between the individual blocks almost indiscernible.
    Swimming about the capstone, which the Arizona diver thought looked like lapis lazuli, he discovered an entranceway and decided to explore further. Passing along a narrow hallway, Brown finally came to a small rectangular room with a pyramid-shaped ceiling. What was amazing was that the room contained no algae or coral growing on the inner walls. They were completely spotless.
    In addition, though Brown had brought no flashlight, he could nevertheless see everything in the room perfectly. It was very bright and well lit, but no direct light source was visible. Brown's attention was drawn to a brassy metallic rod 3 inches in diameter hanging down from the apex of the center, and at its end was attached a many-faceted red gem, which came to a point. Directly below the rod and gem, sitting in the middle of the room was a stand of carved stone topped by a stone plate with scrolled ends.
    On the plate rested a pair of carved metal bronze-colored hands, life-sized, which appeared blackened and burnt, as if having been subjected to tremendous heat. Nestled in the hands, and situated 4 feet directly below the ceiling rod gem point, was a crystal sphere 3-1/2 inches in diameter.
    Brown first attempted to pry loose the ceiling rod and red gemstone, but neither would budge. Turning back to the crystal sphere he found it easily separated from the bronze hand holders, and left the pyramid with it. As he departed, Brown felt a presence, and heard a voice from somewhere telling him never to return.
    Fearing that his unusual prize might be confiscated as salvage-treasure by the U.S. government, Dr. Brown did not disclose the existence of the strange crystal or his experiences until 1975, when he exhibited the crystal for the first time. He displayed the crystal only a half dozen times, but each time witnesses have seen or have been sensitive to strange phenomena directly associated with it.
    Deep inside the crystal form one gazes upon three pyramid images, one in front of the other, in decreasing sizes. Some, entering into a meditative or alpha brainwave state of consciousness, are able to clearly see a fourth pyramid, in the foreground of the other three.
    The significance of the image may have been hinted at by psychic Elizabeth Bacon of New York. In a trance reading on the mysterious sphere, she received the message that the object had once belonged to Thoth, the Egyptian god who ages ago buried a secret vault of knowledge at Giza, near the three great Pyramids there. Do the positions of the three pyramid images in the crystal hold a key to finding a fourth, as yet unfound subterranean pyramid, that is the fabled Hall of Records?
    From the side, the internal images dissolve into thousands of tiny fracture lines, and Brown feels these may be electrical in nature, like some form of microscopic circuitry. From still another angle, and under special conditions, many witnesses have been able to see a large single human eye staring out serenely at them. Photographs of this eye have also been taken.
    Like the mysterious crystal skull of Central America, Dr. Brown's crystal sphere is the source of a variety of paranormal events. People have felt breezes of ionic winds blowing close to it; cold and warm layers surround it at various distances; other witnesses have been phantom lights, heard voices, or felt strange tingling sensations around it.
    A compass needle placed next to the sphere will spin counterclockwise, then

    begin turning in the opposite direction when moved only two inches away.
    Metals are temporarily magnetized in close contact with it. There are even recorded instances where one person has been temporarily healed of an ailment by touching the crystal sphere, but then the next person to come into its range took on the symptoms of the ailment of the other person, as if the crystal could draw out and then activate human disorders at will.
    Just what the purpose of the crystal sphere was, and what role it once played in the enigmatic instrument Brown found inside the sunken Bahaman pyramid, remains a mystery, though of course there are some interesting possibilities. One idea proposed is that the sunken pyramid once attracted, accumulated and generated cosmic forces.
    The suspended rod may have conducted forces accumulated in the capstone; the faceted red gem at its end concentrated and projected the energy to the crystal sphere below it; and the burnt and blackened hands, showing the evidence of an energy transfer, probably amplified the release of energies; while the crystal sphere acted as the tuner and broadcaster of the energies.
    All that we know for certain is that the crystal sphere Dr. Brown retrieved from this system is by itself testimony to a most sophisticated technology, for as experts at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington noted, the technology for cutting quartz stone to the perfection exhibited in the crystal sphere was not accomplished by our civilization until after 1900.

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  3. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

    I actually remember this story. I don't remember where it came from, although I strongly suspect a less than reputable news agency. We only received one real newspaper in our house, the San Jose Mercury News. The rest were things like the National Enquirer, the Star, the Globe, etc. Given that I know for sure that it didn't appear in the Mercury, I can only conclude that it appeared in one of the other periodicals, and you may take that for what it's worth.
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  5. Peter Dolan Registered Senior Member

    I remember seeing this story featured on one of those speculative documentaries from the '70's. I can't remember if it was a David L. Wolper production, Alan Landsburg production or even a Charles Berlitz one. I think it may have been the latter of the three, since the documentary also featured the Bimini road as well as a civilian pilot who knew/flew the area claiming to be able to see features indicative of roads and other structures underwater on occasion when angle of the sun and shifting silt and sands made for favorable viewing.
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  7. Ariadne2525 Member Registered Senior Member

    Woah, I've never heard of that. Is it for real? It just seems really....out there, ya know? Taking the illness from a person only to give to the next unfortunate being that comes along. Weird.

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  8. flapjack Registered Member

    The story is very real. A synopsis can be found on YouTube. Do a search for "In Search of Bimini Wall. Part 3"

    There have been all sorts of underwater ruins found from the Caribbean all the way to the coast of Spain. In the Caribbean they have found sites off of Bimini, Louisiana, Cay Sal, Berry Islands, Bahamas, (now) Cuba, etc...to name a few. Military planes would often report underwater buildings when flying over parts of the Caribbean in the 50's, etc....Before the last ice age, the water levels were very different than what they are now.
  9. Archie Registered Senior Member

    Anyone know where the crystal is these days?

    What have subsequent investigations and research into the pyramid from which the crystal was taken show?
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    I've looked up the research on the "Bimini Highway" because it came up on SciForums a year or two ago. It was conclusively shown to be a natural formation. The crystalline structures of the stones were all aligned to show that they were natural sedimentary formations, eroded by current to look like masonry. The technology to even discover this has only been available for a few decades. No ancient stonemason could have accidentally, much less deliberately, done such a perfect job of imitating a natural formation.

    Coincidences happen all the time.

    At least the Bimini Highway exists. It was merely misidentified as an artifact, by people who want desperately to believe that civilization is more than ten or twelve thousand years old. I'd like to see some respectable evidence of this pyramid.

    For starters, verify the ancient sea levels. Geologists can tell you where they were, within about ten feet, at just about any point in history you're interested in.
  11. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    This "discovery" was made during a storm, that apparently managed to disterb the thick sediments that covered the Pyramid. It makes sense but they did not have a good lat/long position, thus impossible to confirm(can we realistically displace 10-20 meters of seabottom sand and mud even if we wanted to?). Not even worth argueing the validity. I tend to be open-minded about this stuff, but I would not even try to argue with a sceptic on this one.
  12. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

    I seem to remember a similar rock formation formed by very strong currents off of the coast of Japan.
  13. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    Now that is an argument - that could well not be a natural formation.
  14. Archie Registered Senior Member

    I'm not sure if this is offered in indirect answer to my question about subsequent research? Dr. Brown 'lost' the pyramid and can't find it again? Or am I jumping to a false conclusion?

    Does anyone know the location of the crystal these days?

    Natural rock formations. When rock is (was) formed the shapes and structures are always dependent on the circumstances and conditions at the time. Volcanic origin rock has in numerous examples solidified and 'crystalized' out in rather specific geometries. Like quartz crystals do, but on a larger scale. It turns out these are not key fobs from some gargantuan unknown race, they're just crystalized rocks.

    Some twenty to thirty years ago, a Biblical researcher announced he had discovered the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Two cities of pagan inhabitants reported destroyed in Genesis 19 by a rain of fire and brimstone.) The gentleman found 'shapes' resembling crumbled buildings and such in the area of the Dead Sea. He concluded - and I think honestly although perhaps too hopefully - this was the remains.

    I think he made the same mistake made by others who have discovered Atlantis or Lemuria or Moo; they saw what they expected - wanted - to find.
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  15. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    Last I read(in my friends parent's occult library - they were theophosians), the crystal was part of a king tut - hand me down curse.

    I.E whomever "owned" it fell into early demise. Of course with all good yarns, it passed on to someone mysterious and was never seen again.
  16. Archie Registered Senior Member

    So the bottom line to this story is no one knows the location of the pyramid, no one in modern times has seen it except for Dr. Brown and the crystal is not available for examination.

    Is that a correct summary? Anyone?

    If so, I move the claims and discussion so regarding be shelved until such time as proper investigation can be made. Unless there are living witnesses - available - to question regarding the artifacts being claimed?
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    As the modern day approach 'fails' them, they must delve to the past for something that was before. This is current in modern day times. With the reach for, say:
    "Those whom would shake wooden castes of Spears of Destiny, with the All Knowing Eye, before you".

    It's relatively simple. A Swami effect, applied in Grand Royale fashion. So as to waste away the thoughts and flow of conversation. The direct of application of Oblivion. If you will...

    Often emboldened as much, much interest...about Blah!
    Yes, when technology of the current fails, one must waste time, at a level so high, nothing else is maintained.
  18. Archie Registered Senior Member

    My humble apologies, Decantemix; but what's all this in dog years?
  19. Saquist Banned Banned

    I must admit I am highly incredulous of ghost and goblins. This sounds like more of ghost story.
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  21. K.FLINT Devil's advocate :D Registered Senior Member

    I saw this story a while back, I am very skeptical about the science involved here.

    There are underwater structures in the gulf of mexico from the coast of belize to cuba. http://www.morien-institute.org/interview1_ADC.html

    I can tell you that the military is VERY VERY intirested in southern Florida and the Gulf of Mexico. There is a huge military presence in and around there. There are two types of military presence in the area there is the confirmed public ones and the 'you never saw us, we are not here' type.

    example. while playn some paint ball in the keys some military buds and I found our selves in the middle of a classic ambush, 16 men in Ghillie suits [military sniper camo] poped up around us.

    The men I was with and I are VERY well trained, these men were WAY better. we were escorted to a holding facility that none of us were familiar with and held for 18 hours. we were all held apart from each other. No one spoke to us untill just before they let us go. We were all told to never speak of where we had been nor about what happened or we would be removed from duty, they knew who we were, our rank etc. When we returned to base we all had write ups for different things. We got the message.

    As for anything else??? I don't know. I can say there is some odd shit going down and it goes above my TS/SCI clearance I STILL don't know what the hell it was all about.

    There interest goes WAY beyond the location related to Cuba.
  22. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    Well said, Archie. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," that's one of the principles of the scientific method. The only evidence for this claim seems to be an assertion by one person who will not take us to see it. That's pretty weak evidence for such an extraordinary assertion.
    It's a cliched plotline that when the military wants to do something secret but it's too big to hide the operation, they'll go do it in some place that is famous for reports of paranormal activity. Everybody assumes they're investigating the paranormal activity.

    At last! The government is finally taking our reports seriously! Hooray! They're rounding up people who get too close and making them promise not to talk about it! Woo woo, this is heavy! We were right all along!

    Meanwhile what they're actually doing is testing a new kind of submarine or training dolphins to set explosives.
  23. Archie Registered Senior Member

    Well, Mr. Flint.

    First. Thank you for your service to this country.

    Second. Thank you for your bravery in speaking up about this amazing event you endured.

    Three. Good bye. You've talked about it in public and they have to kill you, you know.

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