Donald Trump

[joebialek123]

Former president Trump, you had four years to lead the United States and failed us by your own choosing. Whether it be in foreign policy or domestic policy, you did not protect the nation as commander in chief. We the American people have finally borne witness to what happens when they place an incompetent business man into the Oval Office. Especially one who had everything handed to him.
Quality of life is not a business decision, sir. But rather, it is a humane choice to be empathetic to those who cannot help themselves. This is why government exists.
Now comes the jury’s decision making you a convicted felon. Have you no shame and decency sir? As was said about former president Richard Nixon, jail to the chief.
All you do is complain and moan about what others have done to you. However by all accounts you put yourself in precarious situations and are now facing the consequences.
MAGA has become a dog whistle for NAZI. Your followers would have made great “Brown Shirts” in Hitler’s Germany. They demonstrated their loyalty to you on January 6, 2021. An event you instigated.
As for inflation somebody encouraged Corporate America to gouge us at the grocery stores, gas stations and pretty much everywhere at the point of purchase.
Because of your words and actions many now prefer the “old man” over the felon.

 

[billvon]

Honestly the decision on the Stormy Daniels thing doesn't bother me as much as the finding of sexual assault.

I can see someone ending up being convicted of fraud because they were stupid, which is forgivable (to me.) But you can't rape someone accidentally or negligently, or because you were dumb - you have to be actively evil.

 

[C C]

[...] As for inflation somebody encouraged Corporate America to gouge us at the grocery stores, gas stations and pretty much everywhere at the point of purchase.

Inflation is worldwide, and it's usually normal for places like California to excel in yet extra-higher prices (due to state or local policies).

Global Inflation Tracker

The CFR Global Inflation Tracker allows you to gauge trends in prices across the world over time.

www.cfr.org

"In 2021 and 2022, consumer demand recovered far more rapidly than supply, which was limited by labor shortages, supply-chain interruptions, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Between the third quarters of 2020 and 2022, median global inflation soared from 1.9 percent to 8.8 percent."

Because of your words and actions many now prefer the “old man” over the felon.

It was a mistake for the Biden camp to place the fragility of the "old man" on public display in the kind of situation (unprotected debate) where that could not be obscured. The last thing Republicans should want now is for JB to step down, but they apparently lack a good-sense brake. No need to keep piling on (overkill) when the Establishment has ironically taken over the job (mainstream media, entertainment industry, academia, Dem-supporting businesses, etc).

Little to worry about, though. Blue will still vote Joe if they can't get him to voluntarily exit. And the Biden team will do a better job of prepping and enhancing his cognitive condition for the September debate (and better at persuading moderators to help out this time around), so to win over enough of the critical independent vote.

Which is to say, after the DNC, the disloyal (one-third?) segment of the Establishment will face the fact that it is stuck with JB, and cease its current doom/gloom and "urging withdraw" disposition.
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[sculptor]

Trump's lawyer was supposed to get Stormy to shut up----and he failed---miserably!
And the structured payment led to 34 convictions(which will, most likely be thrown out on appeal.
Meanwhile----Clinton tried to get the monica thing to go away, He failed---miserably.
One wonders why politicians seem to need to hide their sexuality.
Would Clinton have been better off if instead of claiming "I did not have sex with that woman", he would have said:
"jeez people-it was just a blow job---get over it."

 

[billvon]

Trump's lawyer was supposed to get Stormy to shut up----and he failed---miserably!
And the structured payment led to 34 convictions(which will, most likely be thrown out on appeal.
Meanwhile----Clinton tried to get the monica thing to go away, He failed---miserably.
One wonders why politicians seem to need to hide their sexuality.

Let's all hope you are not making a comparison between consensual sex and rape here.

 

[sculptor]

Let's all hope you are not making a comparison between consensual sex and rape here.

I do not know what you are referencing. Details please? ie who raped whom, when and where?

 

[Sarkus]

And the structured payment led to 34 convictions(which will, most likely be thrown out on appeal.

IMO the 34 felony counts will likely survive any appeal, despite the SCOTUS ruling on Presidential immunity. Mainly 'cos the felonies involved pre-President acts and/or private acts (i.e. unofficial acts while in office). Trump even argued that Cohen was his "personal lawyer". The only thing that might come out of the SCOTUS ruling is that some of the evidence presented is now to be considered unusable, although from what I have read/heard it is likely that the judge, and appeals court, will rule that the affected evidence was not material to the result.
Trump (or his team) has otherwise argued numerous grounds for appeal, none of which seem to hold water.
Being a State case, the top Appeals court is the NY Court of Appeals, although SCOTUS might get involved with regard matters pertaining to the Constitution. All they can really do is say whether certain evidence should or should not have been included in the trial, and if the trial judge, Merchan, has already correctly identified the non-usable evidence, what would be the grounds for the appeal in that regard?

If you think differently, care to explain your reasoning?

 

[sculptor]

It seems that the charged felonies are only felonies if the inaccurate (misdemeanor?) book keeping was done to conceal an underlying crime.
What crime was thereby concealed?

 

[billvon]

I do not know what you are referencing. Details please? ie who raped whom, when and where?

Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in 1996 in the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York City. He said he did not. Two separate juries, so far, have found that he lied. The courts determined "that Mr. Trump in fact did 'rape' Ms. Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York Penal Law."

It seems that the charged felonies are only felonies if the inaccurate (misdemeanor?) book keeping was done to conceal an underlying crime.
What crime was thereby concealed?

A New York election law that makes it illegal for two or more persons to conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means. Thus, the fact that Trump and Cohen conspired to prevent revelant information from being revealed to voters about a candidate, using unlawful means (namely, business fraud) bumped it from a misdemeanor to a felony.

 

[Sarkus]

It seems that the charged felonies are only felonies if the inaccurate (misdemeanor?) book keeping was done to conceal an underlying crime.
What crime was thereby concealed?

The prosecutors made the case that the second crime involved a violation of New York election law, in which it's illegal for two or more people to conspire to pomote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means. But the jurors didn't need to agree what those unlawful means were. As I believe the judge made clear to the jurors, it didn't matter if 4 of the jurors thought it was X, 4 thought it was Y, and 4 thought it was Z. The only thing they each needed to be agree was that there was intent to commit a second crime. And all the jurors agreed with the prosecutors that there was.

The Appeal can only overturn the verdict (I believe) if there has been an error in fact or in law, and neither seem to be the case here - barring the (minor?) issues with regard allowable evidence following the subsequent SCOTUS immunity ruling.

Note, that if this was anyone other than Trump, it seems there would almost certainly be no successful appeal. The NY Appellate Court would likely not even hear the case, as Judge Merchan seemed to do everything by the book. But this being Trump, no doubt his SCOTUS buddies will do everything they can to get the case brought to them, and ultimately get the charges overturned.

 

[Sarkus]

As an addendum: it seems Trump's team have indeed submitted a filing to the court to dismiss the charges on the basis that, following the ridiculous SCOTUS ruling regarding immunity, evidence was used in the case that should not have been, and that this tainted the jury's view.
The prosecutor will argue that it didn't, and that there was plenty of other corroborating evidence. And the judge will decide.
Maybe he'll err on the side of caution and dismiss without prejudice, although I'm not sure the DA will re-run it, especially as the defence will argue that Trump can no longer get a fair trial (as the inadmissable "evidence" is forever out there). But I'm still holding out hope that justice is alive and well in the US when it comes to former Presidents committing crimes even before they come to office.