Hariri's Sapiens?I recently read a book wherein the question
"Did man domesticate wheat, or did wheat domesticate man?" was asked.
Your thoughts?
Has been decided long agoIs which came first, the chicken or the egg, the next topic for discussion?
I don't recognize TIME so this question makes no sense. All I recognize is NOW.Has been decided long ago
Chicken
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That is how wheat domesticated manwhen he starting planting
Has been decided long ago
Chicken
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I don't recognize TIME so this question makes no sense. All I recognize is NOW.
There is no such thing was "first" so the chicken couldn't come first. The chicken came BEFORE.Long ago was another NOW
The period between is AGE
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Well the explanation goes likeThere is now such thing was "first" so the chicken couldn't come first. The chicken came BEFORE.
I agree that the chicken came first. There are no eggs without chickens.Well the explanation goes like
Eggs are produced internally in the chicken
Later evolution figured out how to protect the egg in a manner (cover it with a shell)
Result - eggs layer which are capable of surviving outside of chicken
Chicken came first
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Same applied to the dinosaurs when they were aroundI agree that the chicken came first. There are no eggs without chickens.
I rather agree with Seattle about wheat. I mean, you can always argue that some plant or animal Man finds useful can be thought of as in a kind of symbiosis, because Man goes to some trouble to cultivate it and that alters how he lives. You might say the same for the horse. But neither the horse nor wheat set out to change Man's way of life from "wild" to "domesticated".Yes
Your thoughts?
I couldn't possibly comment.I don't find myself going back to re-read Tiassa's long treatises for the same reason. All style, little meat on the bone.
I didn't read that book, but have learned some anthropology. Seems like people were pretty much forced to settle down and cultivate crops when game became scarce or there was too much competition from other predators or human migration became too difficult for geographic or climate reasons. If they settled in places where grain was abundant, they were able to increase their numbers faster than they might have by gathering berries and root-crops. Once they did settle to cultivation, they improved the yields by selection, irrigation and fertilization, and in turn, the heavy investment of labour tied a people irrevocably to the land... and thus, to ownership > patriarchy> fratricide > hierarchy > civilization > progress > arms race and all the subsequent shite.I recently read a book wherein the question
"Did man domesticate wheat, or did wheat domesticate man?" was asked.
Your thoughts?
But the dinosaurs laid eggs. And then they evolved into chickens. So eggs came first.Same applied to the dinosaurs when they were around
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I suppose it is Hariri's characteristically rather hyperbolic way of making the point that it was the cultivation of wheat that caused Man to give up the hunter-gatherer existence. Part of his schtick seems to be that we were all better off as hunter-gatherers anyway and everything has gone downhill since.
Hariri has made a name for himself as a lippy iconoclast, using the perspective of his outsider status as a gay Israeli academic. A lot of what was in that book I found a bit glib and not very well substantiated. It's the sort of book you don't really find yourself going back to again and again for its insights. I found the sequel Homo Deus, unreadable.
The dinosaurs did not evolve into chickens - they mostly went extinct. A few eventually evolved into birds and a few of those eventually differentiated into land-dwelling fowl and a few of those eventually branched off into domestic chickens.But the dinosaurs laid eggs. And then they evolved into chickens. So eggs came first.
I wasn't suggesting that dinosaur eggs were the first eggs, only that they were before chickens.It doesn't ask about eggs in general - because then insects would have come first.
It really isn't though. That would be trivial. It's about making you think about origins.The riddle is about the first chicken egg.