Doing the Numbers on No. 1

[Write4U]

The pattern is still based on the physical .

Patterns don't exist in empty space . A Void .

That's not the point.

The point is that patterns exist at all . Not only does the spacetime permit the formation of patterns, it logically always finds a pattern, a consistence, a repetition instead of always being chaotic. The laws of thermodynamics tend to foster chaos in physics. But that is a result of energy conversion.
So why do we have patterns everywhere? IMO, it is the abstract mathematical nature of spacetime geometry.

 

[nebel]

So why do we have patterns everywhere? IMO, it is the abstract mathematical nature of spacetime geometry.

perhaps also nature's innate search for the most economical solution, connections. I do not discount either the introction of some simply artistic touches. just to show the overabundance of energy , peacock feathers.
In case of the Earth, encased in a cocoon of resonances a 10 sticking out here and there, all to make it right for us.

 

[Write4U]

perhaps also nature's innate search for the most economical solution, connections.

Precisely, that is the Logic inherent in spacetime. "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line." This guiding equation is causal to all mathematical equations. The universe does not know anything, it just functions in the most efficient way possible in a dynamic environment.

In case of the Earth, encased in a cocoon of resonances a 10 sticking out here and there, all to make it right for us.

Mathematics are all around us in the form of physical values, such as energy, mass, wavelengths, symmetry, balance, form.
All these potentials are guided by mathematical equations and functions for maximum efficiency.
IMO, this is the Logic inherent in a deterministic universe.

In birds, the feathers, the dance, the offerings are an efficient survival mechanism in selecting a healthy mate.
In nature nothing goes to waste. After 14 billion years of evolution almost everything in the universe has settled into the most efficient mathematically balanced patterns for continuation.

 

[river]

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perhaps also nature's innate search for the most economical solution, connections.

Agreed

Precisely, that is the Logic inherent in spacetime. "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line." This guiding equation is causal to all mathematical equations. The universe does not know anything, it just functions in the most efficient way possible in a dynamic environment.

Of Course . Based on the physical objects movements in any space . And the interactions between them .

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True . But we live on a sphere for now .

So where Life , and Intellect ? In the Universe.

Or are you separating the two ?

 

[river]

From post#323 , by Write4U

Mathematics are all around us in the form of physical values, such as energy, mass, wavelengths, symmetry, balance, form.
All these potentials are guided by mathematical equations and functions for maximum efficiency.
IMO, this is the Logic inherent in a deterministic universe.

In birds, the feathers, the dance, the offerings are an efficient survival mechanism in selecting a healthy mate.
In nature nothing goes to waste. After 14 billion years of evolution almost everything in the universe has settled into the most efficient mathematically balanced patterns for continuation.

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As expected from any thing that manifests because it is physical . Inotherwords , anything physical is Naturally going to have the ability to be measured , because it is three dimensional . Length , breadth and depth .

Mathematics , pure mathematics , has no physical properties .

 

[Write4U]

From post#323 , by Write4U
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As expected from any thing that manifests because it is physical . In other words , anything physical is Naturally going to have the ability to be measured , because it is three dimensional . Length , breadth and depth .

Don't forget "magnitude"!

Mathematics , pure mathematics , has no physical properties .

Without a mathematical essence to the universal spacetime there would be no relational values and mathematical functions.

Why do you deny the first evidence of a self-ordering guiding equation as posited in Chaos theory.

Is there a compelling reason to consider a proven theory false if the argument is ignored?

Chaos theory is an interdisciplinary scientific theory and branch of mathematics focused on underlying patterns and deterministic laws highly sensitive to initial conditions in dynamical systems that were thought to have completely random states of disorder and irregularities.[1]

Chaos theory states that within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, interconnectedness, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, and self-organization.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

 

[river]

Why do you deny the first evidence of a self-ordering guiding equation as posited in Chaos theory.

Because you ignore the physical reality behind all of this .

You want any pattern to be Plato's perfect form .

 

[nebel]

You want any pattern to be Plato's perfect form .

Plato would have been elate with this thread, considering he lived with a ptolemaic world view Earth
No. I centered, and like Bode counting down
from 10 to 7. venus, ,4, mercury, and up to 16 mars
saturn 100 .
Earth surface turning 100 times faster than Moon regolith.
light at "c" 10 000 faster than Earth
epic numbers instead of epi cycles.

 

[river]

Plato would have been elate with this thread, considering he lived with a ptolemaic world view Earth
No. I centered, and like Bode counting down
from 10 to 7. venus, ,4, mercury, and up to 16 mars
saturn 100 .
Earth surface turning 100 times faster than Moon regolith.
light at "c" 10 000 faster than Earth
epic numbers instead of epi cycles.

To your last statement , epi. cycles by the physical is the essence epi . numbers .

 

[nebel]

To your last statement , epi. cycles by the physical is the essence epi . numbers .

i was speaking in jest, the convoluted (if epic), ingenious attempt to define ellipses as combined circles, was fixed by the Brahe/ Kepler team.

This thread, showing the random appearance of all these ten 10s, in unsuspected places, as shown above, is a different story. imho.

 

[Write4U]

You want any pattern to be Plato's perfect form .

Where have I said that?
That is a completely erroneous interpretation of everything I have ever said.

In a dynamic environment, no lasting perfection is possible. The point is that even if there is symmetry breaking natural patterns are always forming or trying to form in any chaotic condition.

I know there are no perfect circles in physical reality. That is where physics comes in. The dynamic environment prevents perfection, in spite of the constant guiding equations that make pattern forming necessary. Determinism is a mathematical function.

Perhaps therein lies that elusive elan vital that everybody is seeking. The mindless struggle of trying to maintain mathematical order in a dynamical environment!

Think of homeostasis, the subconscious control mechanism that keeps us alive by maintaining balance throughout the physical electrochemical system.