Does the moon exist when no one is looking at it?

[ольга]

Луна никуда не денется, если вы на неё не смотрите, но она никак при этом и не "выглядит". Она "просто гравитирует". Вы когда-нибудь видели, слышали, или нюхали гравитацию? Нет. Это библейское "земля была безвидна и пуста".

Приходится ставить кавычки на некоторых словах и фразах, потому что так ИИ переводит их дословно, а не по своему усмотрению, искажая иногда смысл. Нашла от него "противоядие".

 

[DaveC426913]

The moon isn't going anywhere if you don't look at it, but it doesn't look like anything either.

Yes it does.
The guy standing next to me is describing it.

It just gravity.

It's a little more than that.

Have you ever seen, heard, or smelled gravity?

So? There's innumerable things you can't see, hear or smell.

No. It's the biblical "the earth was without form and void."

Contradiction. If the Earth were "without form" it wouldn't be the Earth, since, by definition, the Earth is a form.

It coalesced from the gas and dust of the forming solar system. But it wasn't "Earth" until it took the form of a spheroid.



The Bible is a collection parables. It's not a reliable source of knowledge about the world around us.

 

[ольга]

Same thing as what what happens to a red ball on a pool table.

Я имела ввиду - он станет частицей, или волной?

 

[DaveC426913]

I meant - will it become a particle or a wave?

A proton is a particle. It has a mass of 1.67 × 10-27 kg.

 

[ольга]

Yes it does.
The guy standing next to me is describing it.


It's a little more than that.


So? There's innumerable things you can't see, hear or smell.



Contradiction. If the Earth were "without form" it wouldn't be the Earth, since, by definition, the Earth is a form.

It coalesced from the gas and dust of the forming solar system. But it wasn't "Earth" until it took the form of a spheroid.



The Bible is a collection parables. It's not a reliable source of knowledge about the world around us.

Притчи - это образы. Пророки, которые их писали - интуиты. Мне нравится видеть их образы и аналогии. Не зря Ньютон большую часть жизни посвятил изучению Библии.

 

[ольга]

A proton is a particle. It has a mass of 1.67 × 10-27 kg.

Я знаю. А как вы можете разбить протон?

 

[DaveC426913]

Proverbs are images. The prophets who wrote them are intuitives. I like to see their images and analogies. It is not for nothing that Newton devoted most of his life to studying the Bible.

Great.
But if you're asking questions here, and hoping to find support for your Biblical allegories, you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[DaveC426913]

I know. How can you break a proton?

You can't. They are a fundamental particle.

Well, they are comprised of gluons, but you can't disassemble a proton and extract the gluons.

 

[ольга]

Great.
But if you're asking questions here, and hoping to find support for your Biblical allegories, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Ну, как мы видим, они были правы. Материя без сознания действительно "вида не имеет".

 

[ольга]

You can't. They are a fundamental particle.

Well, they are comprised of gluons, but you can't disassemble a proton and extract the gluons.

Раз они являются составными, значит и расщепить их можно.

 

[DaveC426913]

Well, as we see, they were right.

Who were right? About what? How did you reach that conclusion.

Matter without consciousness really "has no appearance."

Not true. Even the most primitive lifeforms with photoreceptors, with no inkling of consciousness, can see matter.

 

[DaveC426913]

Since they are composite, it means that they can be split.

This is a complicated subject. You would do better to read up on it than try to engage in a ask-answer game. My 'translate' finger is getting calloused.

 

[ольга]

This is a complicated subject. You would do better to read up on it than try to engage in a ask-answer game. My 'translate' finger is getting calloused.

Я знакома с хромодинамикой. Понятно, что давлением от удара вы протон не разобьёте, давлением можно только создать античастицу. Как создать антидавление, вы знаете?

 

[DaveC426913]

I don't know where you're going with this.

 

[ольга]

I don't know where you're going with this.

Я имею ввиду - не разбить протон, а разорвать его.

 

[DaveC426913]

I mean not to break the proton, but to tear it apart.

I think you would benefit from some reading on the subject.

 

[Mr. G]

I hope somebody somewhere is looking at the moon, or the tides would be seriously messed up.

Sshhhh.

James R:

I believe you exist because you seem to be persistent.

--G

Пин, а что такое существование?

Sharing space/time with people like you.

I don't know you. But we can dance.

Traditions have purpose.

Oh, forgot this wasn't private.

Can't get a room anywhere around here, apparently.

 

[Pinball1970]

You can't. They are a fundamental particle.

Well, they are comprised of gluons, but you can't disassemble a proton and extract the gluons.

Quarks also but since I have clue what question Olga wants to actually ask, despite 160 replies I'm out.

 

[ольга]

Quarks also but since I have clue what question Olga wants to actually ask, despite 160 replies I'm out.

Пин, Дэйв имел ввиду, что при больших скоростях,близким к световым, протон оказывается заполненным в основном глюонами, а кварков и антикварков в нём заметно меньше.

 

[Pinball1970]

Пин, Дэйв имел ввиду, что при больших скоростях,близким к световым, протон оказывается заполненным в основном глюонами, а кварков и антикварков в нём заметно меньше.

Right so nothing to do with the moon?