Do you believe in UFO's?

Dywyddyr said:
"Conspiracy theorist"?
WTF?
Oh there's a conspiracy of people who want UFOs to be real and they're secretly promoting it on the internet?
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I would say yes but it's not a secret. And some don't care, I'm guessing.
Some folks are waaay off the deep end on this subject. Some are probably making decent money
 
This is still my favorite. 6000bc in Africa.

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufo6000.jpg

One of the more interesting cases IMO

http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=206

Also this is a very interesting event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWyMLrV8k0&feature=related

Watch about 50 seconds in they are able to get a clear look at it.

"This amazing video footage is alleged to have been leaked from the Area 51 secret military base in Nevada,by a high ranking Military source who worked within the complex.The UFO was allegedly captured on Military cameras and shows the mysterious object to change shape and move around erratically.At one point,the object is seen to cover 13 miles in just 6 seconds,making extensive changes in velocity and performing manoeuvres that no aircraft, that we know of on this planet,are capable of doing even with today's technology"

^ not my words.

Here is a weird one of ours, an example of who knows what the hell we have. This was built in the 80's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUHHI5JByyI
 
jpappl said:
Also this is a very interesting event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oWyMLrV8k0&feature=related
Watch about 50 seconds in they are able to get a clear look at it.

"This amazing video footage is alleged to have been leaked from the Area 51 secret military base in Nevada,by a high ranking Military source who worked within the complex.The UFO was allegedly captured on Military cameras and shows the mysterious object to change shape and move around erratically.At one point,the object is seen to cover 13 miles in just 6 seconds,making extensive changes in velocity and performing manoeuvres that no aircraft, that we know of on this planet,are capable of doing even with today's technology"
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Well obviously we have no technology capable of doing that.
Take another look - it's a flaming INSECT very close up to the camera, you can even see the blur of its wings.
 
Dywyddyr said:
Well obviously we have no technology capable of doing that.
Take another look - it's a flaming INSECT very close up to the camera, you can even see the blur of its wings.
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First of all I am not advocating the vid as evidence of ET, to me it looks like something we would make. I don't know what an ET craft is supposed to look like, it may be so small we would never notice it.

But it certainly is not an insect. There are clear shots of it that prove that it isn't, looks more like a balloon of some sort.

It's a ufo as far as we are concerned. Someone may know exactly what it is.
 
Dywyddyr said:
Well obviously we have no technology capable of doing that.
Take another look - it's a flaming INSECT very close up to the camera, you can even see the blur of its wings.
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Can you film an insect flyng for 2 minutes "very close to the camera"?
I don't think I could without highly advanced filming equipment.

I not sure it's possible.
 
clusteringflux said:
Can you film an insect flyng for 2 minutes "very close to the camera"?
I don't think I could without highly advanced filming equipment.
I not sure it's possible.
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Presumably it's a remote (observation) camera.
And if the insect is "interested" enough it'll hang around. (Maybe there's a little "I'm Operating Light" on top of the camera that attracted the insect?)
I particularly liked the statement "At one point,the object is seen to cover 13 miles in just 6 seconds," - if you don't know what the object is you don't know how big it is.
Therefore you can't judge how far away it is or get ANY valid estimate of distance that it's covering from a single observation point.
If it doesn't go behind something that's at a known distance all you have is wild guesses.
 
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

BEN RICH
Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works
Lecture just before he died

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"For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are non-existant in the face of the documents already released and of other cognent evidence presented in this book is puerile and, in a sense,an insult to the American people."
J.Allen Hyneck,Phd.
Former scientist with Project Bluebook

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"I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary.In other words,we are being watched by beings from outer space".
Albert M. Chop,Deputy public relations officer,NASA.
Former USAF spokesman for Project Bluebook

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Don Philips, former head of Skunkworks says ET is real. Here.


http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/MrDonPhillips/tabid/261/Default.aspx

So two top level people in the Skunkworks project says they are. Do we believe them ?

I mean this is the same group that creates our super secret craft.

These are just a handful of quotes and comments from those, who normally we would regard their comments as of value and trustworthy. So what do we do with comments like these. The disclosure project is interesting because of the type of people that are coming forward.

My question is, are they coming forward with information of which they are being truthful about but are mistaken or are they correct or are they lying. The last one seems the least likely. Maybe some of them are making shit up but all of them ?

So I think they are being truthful but either mistaken or are correct and being marginalized by those who want to keep the status quo on the subject.
 
Dywyddyr said:
Like Joepistole does?
I mean, the witnesses contradict each other.
One says he had 45 minutes looking over the thing on the ground, another claims it took off straight away.

Once again: do your own reading.

Oh I get it.
You can't read either.
As PREVIOUSLY stated: so many books over so long a time.
As opposed to statements made in this thread.
Get it now?
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A lot of hot air, no substance.
 
1.first, it does not demonstrate the flight pattern of any flying insect that I've seen.
Walking on the lense is also out because of sliding effect from one side of the screen shot to the other.

2. If military cameras could followed insects, would they not have the ability to ignore such an everyday subject? Else what good would they be?
 
jpappl said:
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
BEN RICH
Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works
Lecture just before he died
Etc
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So, several unsourced unsubstantiated out-of-context quotes.

So two top level people in the Skunkworks project says they are. Do we believe them ?
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Ah, you mean people that specialise in telling falsehoods?

I mean this is the same group that creates our super secret craft.
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Excuse me.
YOUR super secret craft.

These are just a handful of quotes and comments from those, who normally we would regard their comments as of value and trustworthy.
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Correction, people I regard as trustworthy on their OWN aerospace projects.

Suddenly they're allowed to talk about stuff that would have got them shot at some point?

Not enough substantiation, too many false alarms...

What happened to the much-touted "the US government will publicly announce UFOs are real in the year 2000" that was being pushed all over the internet ten years ago?
Oops, didn't happen and seems to have been quietly pushed into the background and forgotten now.
 
clusteringflux said:
1.first, it does not demonstrate the flight pattern of any flying insect that I've seen.
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You've never seen an insect buzzing about randomly?

2. If military cameras could followed insects, would they not have the ability to ignore such an everyday subject? Else what good would they be?
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Follow?
What evidence do you have that the camera wasn't fixed and the insect was in front of it? (Attracted by the operating light as suggested previously).
 
Dywyddyr said:
Get it now?
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yup
you are a pseudoskeptic with nothing to offer but unsubstantiated blather

Dywyddyr said:
As PREVIOUSLY stated: so many books over so long a time.
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Faced with contradictory or inconclusive evidence, the skeptic will only say that the claim has not been proved at this time, and give the claimant the benefit of the doubt. The pseudoskeptic will make the (incorrect) counter-claim that the original claim has been disproved by the evidence (and usually follow up with generous amounts of name-calling and other extra-scientific arguments discussed below).

This distinction between simply not accepting a claim and making a counter-claim is important because it shifts the burden of proof. The true skeptic does not have to prove anything, because she is simply unconvinced of the validity of an extraordinary claim. Pseudoskeptics, on the other hand, making the claim that the extraordinary phenomenon only appears to be extraordinary, and has a conventional explanation, have to bear a burden of proof of their own. Do they? The general answer is no. Most of the professional pseudoskeptics engage in mere 'armchair quarterbacking', conducting no research of their own.


so
cmon, wanna talk lighthouses?

/snicker
 
Lori_7 said:
i don't think so. not considering a preponderance of evidence, no. not considering the likelihood of et life, no. not considering an abundance of testimony, no.
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There is no evidence Lori, no matter how much you really, really, really want to believe in little green men visiting earth.

see Q, unlike you, i don't assume thousands upon thousands of people are lying over the course of millenia just because they don't support my personal agenda.
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But, you believe in magic and things that go bump in the night, like a small child.
 
Lori_7 said:
who don't you think is a lunatic Q? you claim that any and everyone who is aware of something that you're not is a lunatic.
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No, just the ones who talk to gods and believe in little green men visiting earth.
 
Reply to post #75.
How clever.
You manage to post but actually say nothing.
 
joepistole said:
There is plenty of evidence out there on the record, just open your eyes and mind and do a little research. There are multiple records of very credible wittnesses (e.g. Rendlesham Forrest) and many others.

The problem with those who dismiss UFOs, in order to believe them one has to dismiss a lot of evidence. Do we have alien bodies, maybe. But if we do, it is certianly not in the public realm.
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Or, the realm of reality. Get a grip.
 
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