I suppose I would agree. But you can't be conscious if you're not intelligent. I wouldn't say they are separate things.
They are not seperate things but they can be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Computers and robots, which have replaced human labor drasticaly over the years worldwide, have relatively little awareness than we do, but they are pretty much 100% more efficient than humans. In the future robots and computers will be even more "humane" and possess even better processing and evaluation powers. However, no matter how advanced robots come off the production line they will never have our own type of conciousness, they will never be able to reproduce, have feelings, have their own conciousness, or metabolize like us. In fact by all definition of human conciousness robots will never have conciousness. But people could say different entities have different conciousness; bacteria should also have conciousness if that is a factual statement.
Okay, if you think bacteria are conscious, then we have very different ideas about what consciousness is. Bacteria are little robots. They are little computers. They are not conscious, just like my Intel Duo is not conscious. It just follows rules that are programmed by its DNA. It's purely mechanical. You can think of bacteria as little robots. You really can.
Bacteria is conscious because bacteria has a reason, its not exactly the same as a rock is it? So let me ask you, where does consciousness start?
Yes, you can. Many living things are not conscious. Trees are not conscious. Protists are not conscious. They react to stimuli, but the sensory equipment is not sophisticated enough to qualify for consciousness. Human sensory equipment and processing is sophisticated enough to qualify for consciousness.
How can you say they are not concious? Trees will die if they don't have sunlight and water. If something is not concious, how can it die? You think the brain always has to be a jelly-like round matter located in the head of an organism LOL
Give anybody reason and they have consciousness. Bacteria is alive, and you cannot be alive without some form of consciousness, no matter how low.
No, no, no. That's not a sign of some form of consciousness. That's evolution. Evolution is not conscious. It's a process. I think I realize what your trouble is. It's hard for you to imagine that we acquired intelligence and consciousness through natural selection. But trust me, that's how it happened. A natural process built up to us having a consciousness which we perceive as existing inside our heads. I doubt Earth is the only place where it happened to. It's just part of what our universe does. In certain pockets of the universe, matter organizes in ways in which consciousness emerges. That's just what our universe does. It's natural, and it has nothing to do with God.
Biological evolution permits that something has to be alive to adapt and evolve. Have you ever seen a stone adapting? What reason does it have?
You think computers are smart, but not conscious, but you think bacteria are conscious, but not intelligent? I'm really at a loss. I really don't know how to respond to this.
Computers are not only smart but smarter than humans. They, like humans, evaluate with everything they are thought. There is no difference from the two except that computers have no reason to adapt for anything, they don't react to stimuli, which is why they are fucking unconcious.
If you can't explain it and you don't know anything about it, why do you think the consciousness and the soul are related? Shouldn't you have a reason for believing something? It's okay for you to say, "I believe because I want to believe." That's fine, because it's honest. But you wanting to believe has no bearing on reality.
What the hell. Do you think I have seen a soul either? I don't even know what a soul is so how can you expect me to somehow rationalize this topic with my chemistry brain? The Soul is a socio-cultural norm, which predates to ancient times and still is a modern world idiom of some sort. Nobody fuckin knows what the soul is. In fact I would rather accept the definition from religion because what religion calls soul is what some people will call consiosuness.
As for me, I don't think the consciousness has anything to do with the soul or God. There's no logical reason to believe there is.
This is why I stay away from topics like these, people believe me, NOBODY knows what the fuck they are talking about.
A priest? Just don't let the priest do the thinking for you
I won't even take it that far