Did God create the universe?

[ольга]

This is bullshit. Stop making things up. Why are you guessing?
You can invent your own philosophy and what god means to you. You cannot make up your own science or Biblical Scholarship.

Dave has outlined why everything you have said is not what is known about particles.
A quick Google will give you an outline of the electron.

В чём несоответствие?

 

[ольга]

What?

Какая буква в этом предложении вам незнакома?

 

[DaveC426913]

Do you know any animals that philosophize? Well, except for humans.

That is not what you initially said.

What you initially said was:

Man differs from other animals by the presence of abstract thinking. Therefore, he is "not just an animal".

Which, as research seems to suggest, is not true.

Would you like to revise your assertion?

 

[DaveC426913]

Then give us your version of what:
1. What is charge?
2. What is the cause of the mass of an electron?
3. The cause of gravity.

I'd really rather you just stop making stuff up.

What is the discrepancy?

Everything you said is wrong.

Which letter in this sentence is unfamiliar to you?

And I guess you're just trolling now?

 

[ольга]

That is not what you initially said.

What you initially said was:

Which, as research seems to suggest, is not true.

Would you like to revise your assertion?

Здесь наверное нужно уточнить - абстрактное мышление определённого типа.

 

[ольга]

I'd really rather you just stop making stuff up.


Everything you said is wrong.


And I guess you're just trolling now?

Дэйв, вы действительно не можете визуализировать? Для вас квантовая механика только математика?

 

[DaveC426913]

Here it is probably necessary to clarify - abstract thinking of a certain type.

So, not so much different as you'd like to think.

How small a difference until it doesn't matter?
If you and I think abstractly in different ways, can I say i'm "different from you" and "not just an animal"?

 

[Pinball1970]

Дэйв, вы действительно не можете визуализировать? Для вас квантовая механика только математика?

You cannot "visualise" Quantum Mechanics. We have solid observations over 100 years, it works. You are using it right now to post.

 

[ольга]

So, not so much different as you'd like to think.

How small a difference until it doesn't matter?
If you and I think abstractly in different ways, can I say i'm "different from you" and "not just an animal"?

Я думаю, что у животных тоже есть душа. А человек, как имеющий больше способностей, должен нести большую ответственность("кому больше дано - с того больше спросится").

 

[ольга]

You cannot "visualise" Quantum Mechanics. We have solid observations over 100 years, it works. You are using it right now to post.

Я могу, и делаю это.

Древние люди тоже могли пользоваться огнём. Понимали ли они как это работает?

 

[DaveC426913]

I think that animals also have a soul.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you also think humans have a soul.

You're going to have a tough time defending that with any kind of empirical evidence.

And man, as having more abilities, must bear greater responsibility ("to whom more is given, more will be asked").

Not must, but we can choose to, sure. After all, we are masters of our own destiny.


What does any if this have to do with the current topic at-hand? Or are we on to a new idea of yours now?

 

[DaveC426913]

I can, and I do.

You are currently struggling with what an electron is. Maybe walk before you run?

 

[ольга]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you also think humans have a soul.

You're going to have a tough time defending that with any kind of empirical evidence.


Not must, but we can choose to, sure. After all, we are masters of our own destiny.


What does any if this have to do with the current topic at-hand? Or are we on to a new idea of yours now?

Почему вы считаете, что мы хозяева своей судьбы?

 

[ольга]

You are currently struggling with what an electron is. Maybe walk before you run?

Мне то зачем пытаться? Я и так это знаю. Мне не нужно "ощупывать слона".

 

[DaveC426913]

Why do you think that we are masters of our own destiny?

The relevant question is: why do you think we are not?

 

[DaveC426913]

Why should I try? I already know this. I don't need to "feel the elephant".

You do not know about many things of which you speak. This has been demonstrated several times now.

I am growing less patient with correcting the things you make up that are wrong, and I suspect others are too.

What would be a better use of your time (and ours) is - instead making wild, uninformed claims about "infinite speed" and "electrons filled with vacuum" - to read up on the science, and if you have questions, ask them.

As it is, none of this has anything to do with the thread topic. Consider starting your own thread. I'm going to start reporting off-topic - and nonsense - posts.

 

[ольга]

The relevant question is: why do you think we are not?

Я просто сейчас рассуждаю в рамках ваших представлений о человеке. Если человек, это биоробот, состоящий из своего рода датчиков, реагирующих на окружающую среду, то он полностью зависим от этой окружающей среды. Все его действия обусловлены окружающей средой. Какой уж тут "хозяин судьбы"?

 

[ольга]

You do not know about many things of which you speak. This has been demonstrated several times now.

I am growing less patient with correcting the things you make up that are wrong, and I suspect others are too.

What would be a better use of your time (and ours) is - instead making wild, uninformed claims about "infinite speed" and "electrons filled with vacuum" - to read up on the science, and if you have questions, ask them.

As it is, none of this has anything to do with the thread topic. Consider starting your own thread. I'm going to start reporting off-topic - and nonsense - posts.

О.к., сжигать на костре несогласных - старая европейская традиция. Давайте не будем её нарушать.

 

[DaveC426913]

I am simply now reasoning within the framework of your ideas about man.

It's not "my ideas about man'[kind]". It is what we know by research and study and evidence.

You believe there is something called a soul. It's a nice thing to want to believe, but as I said before, you're going to have a tough time defending that with any kind of empirical evidence.

If a man is a biorobot consisting of some kind of sensors that react to the environment, then he is completely dependent on this environment. All his actions are determined by the environment. What kind of "master of fate" is there?

My actions are determined by what I think.

How does your introduction of a soul change that? Whatever "will", "purpose" or "mastery" you may attribute to this soul you believe in, can instead be attributed to our minds in our bodies.

 

[DaveC426913]

OK, burning dissenters at the stake is an old European tradition. Let's not break it.

Er what? Did you post this in the wrong thread or something?

Reporting has nothing to do with dissent; it has everything to do with being far from the thread topic, which is not about electrons.