Desperate denial of General Relativity by The God

and it was an electric universe but he didn't pay the bill so it got cut off.
And TG says I don't know cosmology well clearly I do.
Alex
 
We are members of the forum we are all with each other and we should be thankful for the pleasure of each others input.
It is nice the way everyone gets on so well with each other...playful yet polite.
Alex
 
Schmelzer said:
We know. We have the Einstein equations, and we can solve them on the computer with the accuracy we need. So, the situation is the same as in Newtonian theory, where we also do not have exact solutions of many body problems, but can solve them approximately on the computer.
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Thats granted, but please note that even to solve a two body system (like Sun and Earth) we end up approximating Earth as point mass. Moreover I feel that the concept of center of mass, which is simple and elegant in Newtonian is not well understood in GR. I do not think we have a single solution as given by GR, which is exact...You cannot move an iota without approximation.

Schmelzer said:
Every theory necessarily has some postulates, and cannot explain the why or how of the postulates. So this is a trivial objection, which can be made (in some variant) against every physical theory.
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I do agree with you in general, but not in the context. It is THE fundamental aspect of GR that mass curves the spacetime, the onus is on GR pushers to explain how it happens.....It cannot be said, look we don't know, but so what, we are not obliged to provide the mechanism....This shows either the theory is junk or substantially incomplete.
 
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Xelasnave.1947 said:
and it was an electric universe but he didn't pay the bill so it got cut off.
And TG says I don't know cosmology well clearly I do.
Alex
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I know what the nature/reality is....I do not approve of present day cosmology woven around GR. But then you will not get it. Although you gain nothing by being on either said, except possibly some acceptance at such sites, but then you do not possess that intelligence to be critical about these matters. So just enjoy the company of Paddoboys till you last here...
 
The God said:
Are you not aware that a BH cannot move ?
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rpenner said:
A ridiculous statement, indicating you don't understand motion and GR.
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So apply your GR and make a BH move...lets see how a critically curved spacetime makes a move through an uncritically curved spacetime. Brushing aside an issue or terming something ridiculous will not make you someone who honestly bows before authority. Let me see your conviction beyond the maths symbol you churn out..
 
The God said:
I know what the nature/reality is....I do not approve of present day cosmology woven around GR. But then you will not get it. Although you gain nothing by being on either said, except possibly some acceptance at such sites, but then you do not possess that intelligence to be critical about these matters. So just enjoy the company of Paddoboys till you last here...[/QUOTE
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My reply ......
Your lack of approval of GR is noted and I am sure the world is taking note of your lack of approval.
No doubt folk will be concerned.
I am of course humbled to be in the presence of your greatness as no doubt will be all others.
Your supreme intelligence is difficult for half witted folk such as me to comprehend and all we can do is wait for you to overthrow GR with your new model. How is that new model going by the way?
Your attitude of lack of respect lets you down but I still like you and if insulting me helps your poor self esteem please go ahead and I promise I won't take you seriously.
And the way you hold paddoboy on a pedestal is wonderful you are lucky he has taken you under his wing and teaching you cosmology but so much hero worship of paddoboy on your part is unhealthy you really need to be your own man.
Alex
 
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The God said:
I do agree with you in general, but not in the context. It is THE fundamental aspect of GR that mass curves the spacetime, the onus is on GR pushers to explain how it happens.....It cannot be said, look we don't know, but so what, we are not obliged to provide the mechanism....This shows either the theory is junk or substantially incomplete.
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What it does show is your ignorance of how science works and the scientific method and peer review.How does a magnetic field work? Why did the BB bang? How did it bang?
Science/cosmology describes what happens, based on the data from experiment and observations. That's its job which it is doing pretty well.
But here it from a master.........
Your job is obvious: Trying to please your overlords in discrediting science because it has near banished your Spaghetti monster into oblivion.
You have been reviewed and rebuffed by the two who you have nominated that are the only ones mathematically competent.
Take it like a man: and learn from it. Because at present the frustration in your posts, along with the ever increasing nonsense you claim, is painting a picture of Bozo the Clown.

As usual, if there was any substance in what you claim, any substance at all, you would not be here, on a tiny sliver of cyber space, preaching nonsense as dictated by your overlords:
 
TG on a serious note if GR does not work for you why attack it and waste time rather than present your idea on how the universe came into existence and how the forces work.
Do you like the ether idea for example.I am curious are you prepared to discuss this or not?
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
TG on a serious note if GR does not work for you why attack it and waste time rather than present your idea on how the universe came into existence and how the forces work.
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Hi Alex...
The "modus operandi" of God Botherers and YEC's is as I have said many times: They must ridicule, misinterpret, obfuscate and just plain lie, to try and gain the ground that science keeps undermining them on.
Referring to aspects such as "science does not know what gravity actually is" and similar areas where they see science as limited, is an example.
No science does not know the exact mechanism of gravity and the how, nor does it understand the exact mechanism of magnetism as discussed By Richard Feynman in the video I posted.
The job of science is to construct models of what we see, and the data from experiments, to sucessfully predict and arrange our lives around these same models.
We have explored every planet in our system, despite the distances and the scientific facts that all are in constant motion: Yet we use in most cases the Newtonian model of gravity to do this: GR also does it to a much higher degree of accuracy although not required in all cases.

the god like other god botherers, pretend to be interested in the deep philosophical aspect of reality in scientific models.
Scientific conclusions and models are always open for revision as warranted by the evidence. Scientific investigations are ongoing, raising new questions even as old ones are answered.
If science happens to hit on the nitty gritty and the deep underlying reality, all well and good.
But as long as theories such as SR/GR the BB etc, continue to stand the test of time and further and further observations and experimental results, they remain as incumbent.
As you rightly point out, the god,driven by his agenda, cannot impove on existing models, cannot refute existing models, and is unable to offer anything substantial to take its place...other than incessant babble, distortions of fact, obfuscations and down right lies at times.
 
You are correct Paddoboy.
I think folk like TG forget or fail to realise science is always a work in progress and if you can come up with something better it will be the new game.But just because one feels they know better does not cut it.
Where would we be if there was no system...
Anyways TG will learn in time he is passionate about cosmology and I am sure he will realise being only a critic offers nothing.
I was once a critic but took time to learn so I hope he can learn it will make things better for him.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Anyways TG will learn in time......
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What ? That Black Holes exist, that Worm Holes Exist, that gravity bends space, that spacetime is real tangible thing, that you can move to past or future as freely as you move spatially, that the huge mass of the size of millions of suns resides at a point. This is pure non sense and let me tell you all those who are working in this area, they know what they are talking about, but still they are going about, reasons are know to them also. This is no science, this is science being played out by system, a modern day system which works on funding and marketing, especially in the field of GR cosmology.



Xelasnave.1947 said:
I was once a critic but took time to learn so I hope he can learn it will make things better for him.
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This one is interesting, not for the fact that you were critic, but for what did you learn ? Nothing significant is manifested in your posts, they are mundane, mostly ingratiating type. I see no learning, you have no idea what the mainstream theories are...
 
TG I say only one thing in my posts and yet you miss the point. With this point you could understand cosmology and because it is so simple you ignore it. The point is without a better model your critism is meaningless.
I don't like the idea of inflation or black holes but I am not foolish enough to think my views mean zip.
Many things in science will change in the future when better models are provided.
A new model may even show your view on black holes is closer to the truth than what the current model suggests but that will not make you right. You need the model otherwise you waste your breath.
This is what you must learn.
I have never said you must learn learn any of the things you suggest...I say learn the significance of a model otherwise you waste your energy.
You find black holes annoying well explain what is really going on such that it is acceptable.
Personally I doubt black holes will have mass at a minuscule point but that is where we are at the moment...can you take it further? or can you only critisize and not contribute.
And don't assume you know me or how I think my...you don't..Assume
I don't care what you think or if you wish to insult me but your actions only make you look foolish.Have you not learnt that personal attacks are meaningless.
Keep your passion high but please remember I am only trying to help you. Forgive my simple speak and spelling mistakes I am on a small phone with a fat finger trying to type.
Have a great day.
Alex
 
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TG others have suggested that you need to learn about what it is that you critisize and I agree.
You are quick to suggest others don't know any science but you appear not to have learnt very much yourself and to come up with something better you must learn all about what it is that you reject.
Reading your posts suggests you don't understand black holes very well fo example.
Also you don't seem to listen when knowledgeable members try to explain things.Two ears one mouth use them in such proportion.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
TG others have suggested that you need to learn about what it is that you critisize and I agree.
You are quick to suggest others don't know any science but you appear not to have learnt very much yourself and to come up with something better you must learn all about what it is that you reject.
Reading your posts suggests you don't understand black holes very well fo example.
Also you don't seem to listen when knowledgeable members try to explain things.Two ears one mouth use them in such proportion.
Alex
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What is science ? In your mind..Science is what is being pushed by mainstream ? Isn't it ?
I am not saying that guys like Rpenner etc do not understand this science, they do, possibly far better than me.
But my point is this is not science ? This is not the true reflection of reality / nature.
Just because mainstream says that the BH exist, no I am not going to accept ? and reality there are no Black Holes, there are no singularities...It is all nonsense. You learn about these nonsenses from any source and start claiming that you know science, I don't give a damn ?

Do one honest exercise...

1. Read a bit more about Black Holes.
2. Make your own assessment if the same is possible or not.

If your conclusion is that yes it is possible because mainstream guys are saying so, then you are not doing justice to your critical thinking. You are just being a mindless follower. But if you can articulate that look it is a realistic stuff and its possible withing the laws of nature, then I will say that you really know the science. Try this.


You may not know this....But there is a funny stuff by the pushers of BH that the nature does not allow naked singularities, as if singularity is a real stuff and exist in nature. All funny stuff woven around a mathematical artifact.


I generally give an example to people, suppose the square of your age is 2500, what is your age ? The answer is 50...but hold on
its -50 also, so a smart guy can explain look you are yet to be borne and you will come to earth after 50 years. Or some smartass can interpret that look you have gone 100 years in the past, and now you are at -50....

You have not encountered one more thing, that is that a photon does not have a rest frame, why ? simple answer is it will create a division by zero in those transformation equations. So when in SR division by zero is no go, then why not in GR ? How come a division by zero becomes a Black Hole in GR ? all BS, all unverifiable nonsense. How long ? 2025.
 
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Dear TG
I told you I don't like the idea of black holes or inflation but what I think or you think won't change main stream science.
That is my point.
There are many things I don't like but it does not matter what matters is what mainstream has arrived at because each step is well tested.
This means we have something reliable to work with and that is the benefit of well tested scientific models.
Once we used a scientific model that placed thru Earth at the center of the dollar system and the back and forward observed motions of the planets was explained by having them in orbit around Earth and doing little spirals.
Needless to say this model does not reflect the truth but it was and id a useful scientific model because using this model enables you to predict where Saturn will be in the Sky next Thursday or where it will be next year.
It worked but finally was replaced with s better model.
Now GR is the best model of Gravity to date.
Using it suggests black holes dark matter and other things that you don't like.
But finally at the moment it id the best model that is how science works as far as I can tell.
Now personally I think dark matter may be next a incorrect conclusion but at the moment using GR or Newton gravity both those models say dark matter must be present.
In the future a better model may present and it days there id no dark matter..
well science will follow thru better model but for now we have models that
 
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for now ee have models that tell us their must be mass we can't see for our models results.
Personally I think dark matter will prove a wild goose chase but until a better model comes along its goose chasing for me..
I am sorry I am not on a computer otherwise I could write better for you.
Bottom line is if you think GR etc is wrong build a better model.
That is what I sm trying to get you to understand.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
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for now ee have models that tell us their must be mass we can't see for our models results.
Personally I think dark matter will prove a wild goose chase but until a better model comes along its goose chasing for me..
I am sorry I am not on a computer otherwise I could write better for you.
Bottom line is if you think GR etc is wrong build a better model.
That is what I sm trying to get you to understand.
Alex
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Well all know that ; Alex ; this site though is not allowed to open its eyes/and / or mind . It just can't .

It is stuck in the past .

It does not evolve .
 
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