Democratic Socialism In Venezuela

[iceaura]

We can agree to disagree. The genetics of intelligence combined with good social experiments will settle this over time.

It's already settled. You are in error.

I will say this, IMO, you are doing a disservice to people with low IQ.

Not at all. You are making errors of reasoning, and projecting them unto me.

BUT, because people like you say there is no difference - genetic anyway, people are left creating stories.

But I say no such thing. That would be as silly as claiming there were no differences in height - I have posted the apparent partial similarity between height and IQ, in their genetic patterns, several times now.

If you go back a few years, before genuine research had been done, you will find frequent claims that people from this nation or that one varied in genetic height - that some nation-states were genetically taller than others. The Japanese were short, the Americans were tall, the Dutch were short, the Germans were tall, and so forth. This also applied to races, if the applicant were slipshod, and racial bigots are all slipshod - white people were tall, yellow people were short.

The argument was exactly the same as yours - the difference in average height was measured objectively, the genetic component of height was determined by careful studies with families and twins and so forth (it was easily 75%), and the mistaken conclusion followed directly. They even had cross-population comparisons in the same countries, living side by side - the short tribal residents of Peru living right next to the tall Spanish origin residents, similarly with the Spanish in the Philippines, the French in French Indochina, the British in India, for example.

The same pattern we see with IQ.

 

[Michael]

As I said, we'll let the science play out. I think the studies show IQ to have a profound impact on the types of societies that develop. Soon, we can move past IQ and investigate individual genes and their distribution in combinations.

Anyway, hopefully we'll both be around to see the day all of this is mute. Which, won't change the facts of today, but nonetheless.

 

[iceaura]

I think the studies show IQ to have a profound impact on the types of societies that develop

And vice versa.

 

[Michael]

This is probably a good time, and place, to remind us all of this little Historical Fact (not likely to be taught in our Government School System).

Forbes: How A Failed Commune Gave Us What Is Now Thanksgiving

Or, put another way, how Socialism led to resentment, sloth, thievery (attitudes and behaviors found in just about any Government Welfare Socialist program / Ghetto) and finally to mass starvation - and how Private Property ownership led to work ethic, ingenuity, social trust and plenty.

For many years, the story of the first failed commune of Plymouth Bay was part of the collective memory of American students. But Progressive Education found that story unhelpful and it has fallen into obscurity, which explains why (as I alluded to before) a well-educated establishment figure like Jared Bernstein would be unaware of it.

The exact same thing happened in the USSR, China, NK and now Venezuela. And it's happening in all of our Public Institutions as well. And would happen to Medicine should it be completely nationalized.

 

[iceaura]

This is probably a good time, and place, to remind us all of this little Historical Fact (not likely to be taught in our Government School System).

Forbes: How A Failed Commune Gave Us What Is Now Thanksgiving

Or, put another way, how Socialism led to resentment, sloth, thievery (attitudes and behaviors found in just about any Government Welfare Socialist program / Ghetto) and finally to mass starvation - and how Private Property ownership led to work ethic, ingenuity, social trust and plenty.
The exact same thing happened in the USSR, China, NK and now Venezuela. And it's happening in all of our Public Institutions as well. And would happen to Medicine should it be completely nationalized.

I was taught that in government school. But credit where credit is due - you have an entire post there with only one complete falsehood (nothing like that is happening in our current Public Institutions), and it isn't fundamental to your claims.

 

[Michael]

I was taught that in government school. But credit where credit is due - you have an entire post there with only one complete falsehood (nothing like that is happening in our current Public Institutions), and it isn't fundamental to your claims.

LOL

Are you claiming most Americans, who can barely read and write upon graduation, learn ANYTHING even remotely close to this historical fact?

HAHAHAHAHA

Give me a break. An n of 1, does not a rule make.

 

[iceaura]

Are you claiming most Americans, who can barely read and write upon graduation, learn ANYTHING even remotely close to this historical fact?

All the ones who went to my schools were at least taught the story of the Plymouth Bay Colony - what they learned, I never asked.

But then, most of them can read and write, too. So apparently I grew up in a very, very unusual part of the country, or you're full of shit again.

 

[Michael]

But then, most of them can read and write, too. So apparently I grew up in a very, very unusual part of the country, or you're full of shit again.

No, you grew up and went to school at a time prior to the effects that decades of hyper socialism have left Government Schools of today with. Before our Great Society. People generally don't starve to death the first year of socialism.

If Honda were completely nationalized, the cars they produce next year, would be relatively similar to the ones they made this year. The teachers of the 1960s, we're themselves taught by teachers in 20s and 30s. Who could (and were) fired for incompetence.

Anyway, believe me, the administration running most public institutions have no connection at all to the reality that created those institutions. They just want their job for life, a fat 6 and as many holidays and benefits as a CEO.

Note: functional illiteracy rates went up again this year.

 

[iceaura]

No, you grew up and went to school at a time prior to the effects that decades of hyper socialism have left Government Schools of today with.

My schools were many decades old - Government owned and run since before my parents were born.

Most grade schools I've been in recently have better teachers than I had in grade school.

Note: functional illiteracy rates went up again this year.

Like IQ, "functional" illiteracy is a moving target. Most people today can read and write better than most people in 1916 - even if you just count the white people.

And their IQs are higher, too - fifteen or twenty points higher.

 

[Michael]

My schools were many decades old - Government owned and run since before my parents were born.

Your schools probably were Public Schools. Those are not these. These are Government Schools.

Bakes.In.The.Cake

 

[Michael]

Like IQ, "functional" illiteracy is a moving target. Most people today can read and write better than most people in 1916 - even if you just count the white people.

And their IQs are higher, too - fifteen or twenty points higher.

IQ scores have been dropping for the last 15 years. Assuming the effect isn't epigenetic (though it may have a role), the IQ scores have been inflated due to prep testing.

That aside, you'll need to provide evidence that education is better now than 100 years ago. The 1910 census shows Black literacy has dropped in identically measured Chiraqian burros. Name one other good or service that has regressed in the last 100 years.

 

[iceaura]

IQ scores have been dropping for the last 15 years.

No, they haven't.

Assuming the effect isn't epigenetic (though it may have a role), the IQ scores have been inflated due to prep testing.

Not the IQ scores over times and in places where there was no "prep testing". The Flynn Effect is robust planetwide since IQ test invention.

That aside, you'll need to provide evidence that education is better now than 100 years ago.

I pointed to the fact that national literacy rates are higher now than in 1916. How that happened is your concern, not mine - one factor is that a much higher proportion of the population has actually attended school past puberty, which would possibly fit your contention that the quality of the education has declined since then - if you were interested in making a sensible argument.

The 1910 census shows Black literacy has dropped in identically measured Chiraqian burros. Name one other good or service that has regressed in the last 100 year

Probably nonsense. I actually wasted three minutes of my life trying to see where that obvious bullshit came from - citation or retraction.

 

[iceaura]

Your schools probably were Public Schools. Those are not these. These are Government Schools

They were (and are) standard American public schools. They were owned and run by the government, staffed by government employees, paid for by taxes, open to all the children that lived in the governed district. They had been founded that way, generations ago, before my parents were born. They appear to have improved since I attended them, btw - better teachers, buildings, delivered education, all ways.

 

[Michael]

BBC: Venezuela minimum wage to rise by 50% 'to combat inflation'.

Progressive Socialism, kills another society.

 

[Michael]

Well, I thought it would be good to check in on what the twats over at SALON termed: An Economic Miricle (aka: Democratic "Socialism" / State Authoritarianism via a magical vote for free-shit).

Now, let's stop and think what happens to a Nation State/group of people within a geopolitical domain who decide NOT TO move in the direction of freedom, sound money, and laws that protect private property (instead of stealing it for good of society because YOU USE THE ROADS) and uphold contract; well, they COMPLETELY LACK ANY MEANS to peacefully voluntarily change society. ALL they are left with is the use of the State's special legal right/privilege whereby it INITIATES violence against innocent people trapped in said Nation State.

THIS is what 110 years of 'democratic' socialism is doing to the USA. One day, we'll have our Hugo.

Baked
In
The
Cake

Welcome to the final outcome of Progressive "Democratic" Socialism / State violence. Where the rich politicians, which is to say those people who gravitated NOT towards the free-market, but instead to the State - they are the sadists naturally inclined towards the idea of violence. They're happy to use the Police to beat the shit out of, even murder, whoever is deemed (by them) to act counter to their fanciful ideas of a Social Paradise.

They eat first.
They live like kings and queens.
These bullshitting politicians who promised a bunch of low IQ people, a bunch of free-shit. Well, it didn't work out that way now did it? Just like it isn't working out in North Korea or Cuba. And now Brazil. Just as it never works out, see the 200 million humans starved to death in the USSR and "The People's Republic" of China.

Notice where B.Sanders new home is located:

Does THIS hideaway look anything like the GiverMint ghettos he wants to fund?
Nope.

There should be a law, if a politician panders for, and votes in social warfare contracts, they are assigned a random GiverMint apt or house in a GiverMint welfare estate to live in for the tenure of their "career" as a political hack.


Watch the video, essentially, not really much different from GiverMint ghettos in Detroit or Chiraq. You know those 'Social Services' some bullshitting politician promised would 'care for the poor' back in the 1960s? Well, they're our modern day ghettos. Just as so-called 'conservative' politicians said they'd be. Oh, but you don't care for 'the poor', the socialists cried. When in reality, it's they who couldn't be bothered. They use the poor for their own ends, then discard them when they're no longer convenient.