Cocaine

Write4U said:
Are you addicted to brownies laced wih marijuana only, or do you just like brownies? In fact I just finished off a batch of just brownies and experienced great pleasure from eating them. The sugar content alone activates my conscious pleasure centers and will motivate me to eat them again when available.
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True story: I went to see the latest Star Wars with a group. The man sitting next to me I know is an avid pot smoker and was really stoned. He fell asleep midway through the movie (it was also his second viewing of it). The woman sitting behind him does whatever is in her crack pipe. I don't know if she was up or coming down but she was really agitated and fidgety. Occasionally kicking the back of the mans seat and ended up leaving the movie theater half way through...

Now I'm thinking smuggling some brownies into a theater with or without marijuana? Anyway, no one should have to do much research to find out marijuana is pretty harmless. Especially when compared to other drugs.

And no, lol I'm not addicted to either of them, brownies that is.
 
Beer w/Straw said:
Freud may have been one of the first physicians to endorse/realize cocaine could be used as an anesthetic.

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We don't know whether, Freud, had a problem with cocaine and an opioid like that makes sex all the more pleasurable which would cause one (me) to wonder if that could have affected his brilliance and insights into the human psyche.

See! I said tangential.
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Was he, by Jove? Thanks, I did not know that.

Nor that cocaine is said to make sex more pleasurable. (Thank God I didn't know that when I was sexually active, or it might have led to the little head doing the thinking for the big head to an even greater degree!)

I always thought the conventional explanation for Freud's focus on sex and sexual hangups was his time and place, viz. c.19th Vienna, in that during that era there was a lot of suppression of sexual feelings. But you may be onto something.
 
Michael 345 said:
It also helped myself (as a ambulance driver and registered nurse) and other health workers from scrapping your brains from the windscreen or suctioning them from your windpipe in a effort to keep you alive

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I think that is a good point and I'm glad to see someone with experience of the emergency services chip in.

It seems to me the social contract provides us with emergency services on the implicit basis that we do not waste their resources, energy and psychological resilience by taking silly risks habitually. Climbing the odd mountain in bad weather is one thing. Driving every day without taking an obvious safety precaution, that causes the individual no inconvenience at all, is something else.
 
exchemist said:
Was he, by Jove? Thanks, I did not know that.

Nor that cocaine is said to make sex more pleasurable. (Thank God I didn't know that when I was sexually active, or it might have led to the little head doing the thinking for the big head to an even greater degree!)

I always thought the conventional explanation for Freud's focus on sex and sexual hangups was his time and place, viz. c.19th Vienna, in that during that era there was a lot of suppression of sexual feelings. But you may be onto something.
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I can't fish up some exact reference for the cocaine. It could've been part of dreams description from a past event.

I believe, Freud, got most of his insight from dreams, his and of his patients. He does indicate that invention of psychoanalysis is credit of, Josef Breur, for using hypnosis to get repressed memories closer to consciousness. But eventually found that dreams were better than using hypnosis for that.

There is a criticism of Freud that he wrote little or nothing about how sexual abuse affects children. Possibly, I thought: sure you can write about sexuality in broad, general terms that offends people, but disgust and horrify is not viable.

On the topic of drugs, along with disgust and horrify, I came across a forum with a post specifically about sex on crack. Which I could barely skim through and would not share with this forum cause it was that bad. Like, you don't have to have childhood trauma to get a neurosis, you can just do enough crack when you're older.
 
Beer w/Straw said:
I can't fish up some exact reference for the cocaine. It could've been part of dreams description from a past event.

I believe, Freud, got most of his insight from dreams, his and of his patients. He does indicate that invention of psychoanalysis is credit of, Josef Breur, for using hypnosis to get repressed memories closer to consciousness. But eventually found that dreams were better than using hypnosis for that.

There is a criticism of Freud that he wrote little or nothing about how sexual abuse affects children. Possibly, I thought: sure you can write about sexuality in broad, general terms that offends people, but disgust and horrify is not viable.

On the topic of drugs, along with disgust and horrify, I came across a forum with a post specifically about sex on crack. Which I could barely skim through and would not share with this forum cause it was that bad. Like, you don't have to have childhood trauma to get a neurosis, you can just do enough crack when you're older.
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I'd have thought it unfair to criticise Freud for not writing about sexual abuse of children, unless we know he came across a lot of it and suppressed it. Do we know that?

I do think there is a rather silly tendency today to "read history backwards", applying today's hot-button sensitivities to people living at a different time, with different culture and different information available to them.
 
exchemist said:
I'd have thought it unfair to criticise Freud for not writing about sexual abuse of children, unless we know he came across a lot of it and suppressed it. Do we know that?

I do think there is a rather silly tendency today to "read history backwards", applying today's hot-button sensitivities to people living at a different time, with different culture and different information available to them.
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I've never tried to work the numbers before. However, if this is true:
According to childtrauma.org, in the U.S. one out of three females and one out of five males have been victims of sexual abuse before the age of 18 years. And according to the American Academy of Experts in Traumatic Stress (AAETS), 30% of all male children are molested in some way, compared to 40% of females.[/i] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/somatic-psychology/201303/trauma-childhood-sexual-abuse
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It's quite likely, Freud, knew a lot. But he also had to find a Greek tragedy to name the Oedipus complex after:
… introduced the concept in his Interpretation of Dreams (1899). ... In his Die Traumdeutung (1899; The Interpretation of Dreams) he posited a phenomenon called the Oedipus complex, that is, the male child's repressed desire for his mother and a corresponding wish to supplant his father.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Interpretation-of-Dreams

And 1899 is over a century ago.
 
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Beer w/Straw said:
I've never tried to work the numbers before. However, if this is true:


It's quite likely, Freud, knew a lot. But he also had to find a Greek tragedy to name the Oedipus complex after:


https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Interpretation-of-Dreams

And 1899 is over a century ago.
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Indeed. And a fair amount of what we now call sexual abuse would not have been called that in his day. Even today, the age of consent varies between countries, after all. And even in my youth, a slightly coercive attitude towards persuading someone to have sex was culturally tolerated. You only have to watch early James Bond films to see that.
 
Yes Birch, of course they do.

This discussion is not about whether Freud's ideas are sound science or not (in my view they are not, though they do contain some insights), it is a speculation about his cocaine use and his preoccupation with sex in human psychology.
 
birch said:
pfft. does anyone ever consider that freud wasn't correct about everything? everyone's personality and psychosocial patterning is different, even from birth.
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Whether you like Freud or not, he is still regarded as one of the most influential figures in psychology. (B. F. Skinner regarded as most influential.)

Cocaine hinders the brains normal ability of purging dopamine and sex produces loads of it so it stays triggered. Sex, in broad sense, is also a key factor in many neuroses and human motivations.
 
Xmo1 said:
People were chewing cocaine leaves before it was a (high-end) product, and they were consuming it for it's energy and medicinal attributes. It shouldn't be wasted if gathered by law enforcement. It should be used to it's full potential, because it's a natural resource. Natural resources should always be considered important, and a leverage tool for commerce.

Wouldn't cocaine combine with other substances to the point where people could use it as a (bio) chemical? Material Science? What does it mix well with?

So I'm thinking rather than harm the farmers, buy their product and use it better. It's an important natural resource. Big pharma, get with the program. Dow chemical? Air products? What's it good for? I'm thinking it should be brought to the market as a commodity to help the farmers. The current refiners could multi-discipline by injecting material science jobs into their greenhouses to serve demand for new materials.
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thats quite tricky because it also has a happy effect.
because the happy effect has deminishing returns quite quickly over repeated doses it tends to render an addictive process to those whom are addicted by it(vast majority).
it would be extremely beneficial as a cold & flu medication if controlled extremely tightly.
however, the person would likely feel a cold turkey effect as they got over the cold or flu, along with the appetite supresion aspect which would potentialy make them eat less resulting in them actually getting sicker.
furthermore and more soo quite poignantly, the use of it is also an escapism from real emotional issues, thus its very strong addictive property for those with unresolved emotional issues(most people as an ongoing process of learning to work through emotional issues and advancing in EQ).

ideally it wouold be great to be able to have it clinically administered free of charge to elderly patients whom were willing to use it, though... i am not sure of the potential deminishing returns of the adrenal system resulting in a shortening of life expectancy for such people.
not to mention the increased heart rate which directly reduces life expectancy.
p.s it would be great to see all the seazed drugs being given free of charge to low income poor sick patients instead of burnt...
note the government doesnt burn cash that is seazed from illegal gains.
 
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RainbowSingularity said:
ideally it wouold be great to be able to have it clinically administered free of charge to elderly patients whom were willing to use it, though
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That's an awful idea. It's bad for you. People with heart problems would die fast. The drug you want for old people is heroin. Pain relief and peacefulness. Not powerful CNS stimulants.
 
Xmo1 said:
People were chewing cocaine leaves before it was a (high-end) product, and they were consuming it for it's energy and medicinal attributes. It shouldn't be wasted if gathered by law enforcement. It should be used to it's full potential, because it's a natural resource. Natural resources should always be considered important, and a leverage tool for commerce.

Wouldn't cocaine combine with other substances to the point where people could use it as a (bio) chemical? Material Science? What does it mix well with?

So I'm thinking rather than harm the farmers, buy their product and use it better. It's an important natural resource. Big pharma, get with the program. Dow chemical? Air products? What's it good for? I'm thinking it should be brought to the market as a commodity to help the farmers. The current refiners could multi-discipline by injecting material science jobs into their greenhouses to serve demand for new materials.
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Beer w/Straw said:
I just wanted to post this... Also swearing.

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Just to get some chemistry back into the thread, this simple molecule exists in 2 optical isomers (enantiomers), due to the asymmetrical N atom. The D form is far more potent as a drug than the L form, apparently. I wonder whether drug dealers have a way to separate the two, or whether they simply supply a racemic mixture to the punters. :biggrin:
 
Cocaine used to be used by Dentists due to it's numbing effect. Now they use Novacaine. Anything's better than Whine.
 
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