Coattails

"you ar not my friend, you are my foe, you are 2 feet tall, you cant play basket ball, Its a dwarf invasion!m ****shut up dirk!*****" -reggie and teh full effect

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages!
THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM!

voice mail: 1-800-222-6000
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"to kill one man is a tragedy, to kill a thousand is a strategy" -stalin(not my dead cat)

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages!
THANK GOD FOR ATHEISM!

voice mail: 1-800-222-6000
pin#- 2442235
 
"To legislate in advance of public opinion is merely to produce anarchy instead of maintaining law and order."

Alexander Mackenzie


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Here'sa couple of famous quotes and their less famous responses:

"Taxation without representation is tyranny!" --Patrick Henry

"With representation it ain't so hot either!" --MAD Magazine


"I have returned." --General Douglas MacArthur upon his return to the Philippines

"It's about damned time!" --an anonymous GI who has yet to be identified and was skillfully editted out of the newsreels
 
"La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld
La, la- la, la-; La, la- la, la-; Elmo's Wor-ld..."

--Elmo

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The world is a nettle; disturb it, it stings. Grasp it firmly, it stings not. -Owen Meredith, Lucille
 
If we're going to quote things as long as Bowser's prior quote, we might as well quote it correctly. Below is a reprint of Bowser's quote. I have restored that which was exscinded from the original text, in order that the proper and intended context be spoken for. (Nice try. ;) )
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.html is the address for the current version.

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Michael Swift: "Gay Revolutionary"

from Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987

(reprinted from The Congressional Record, with preface restored)


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In 1987, Michael Swift was asked to contribute an editorial piece to GCN, an important gay community magazine, although well to the left of most American gay and lesbian opinion. A decade later this text, printed in the Congressional Record is repeatedly cited, apparently verbatim, by the religious right as evidence of the "Gay Agenda". The video Gay Rights, Special Rights, put out by Lou Sheldon's Traditional Values Coalition cites it with ominous music and picture of children. But when the religious rights cites this text, they always omit, as does the Congressional record, the vital first line, which sets the context for the piece. In other words, every other version of this found on the net is part of the radical right's great lie about gay people. For a discussion of the whole "Gay vs. Religious Right" phenomenon see Chris Bull and John Gallagher: Perfect Enemies: The Religious Right, the Gay Movement, and the Politics of the 1990s, (New York: Crown, 1996)


This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators,your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence--will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

"We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

"We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot

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"But when the religious rights cites this text, they always omit, as does the Congressional record, the vital first line, which sets the context for the piece"

Tiassa, to be fare, I searched for a back-issue online, but I wasn't able to find it. If you can provide me with a link to an online issue of the original publication of that editorial piece, I will take your source version as the fact. Until then, the most reliable source for the actual text is the Congressional record. It is very possible that the top first line was ommitted by the Oppressors, but it could just be that that first line was never there. Check it out. It is possible that that first line was lost to time and memory--I and most others would never have had an opportunity to read the first print of that piece back in '87. I go with the sources which I trust, but I understand that it's not perfect.

I followed your link to its source: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/
I bookmarked it for the future (looks very good...thanx).

My Search:
http://www.lycos.com/srch/?loc=meta_index&ss=971156636%7C2&query=Gay+Community+News&SWR=GCN&x=63&y=16

Congressional Record:

cri87 SWIFT, MICHAEL
America--Is This the Gay Declaration of War?, 21195
[27JY]

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Still searching for the most original link.

In the meantime, http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html is a Christian ministry which uses the omitted line; in fact, the screen I've linked you to makes its inclusion vital to the ministry's position on the article. That position is as follows:

One additional note: Some homosexual groups are accusing what they call the "religious right" of printing the article as it appeared in the Congressional Record, without an opening statement of its purpose. This statement apparently was missing from the Congressional Record version of the essay, but the NFD Journal included it in their publication, and it is included here as well.

Even though the opening statement is put forth as evidence that the contents are not an "agenda", strictly speaking, a look at the history of the "gay rights" movement in the past decade makes it clear that Mr. Swift is not the only homosexual to have this "dream".

Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately.

My own web search has resulted in a note that GCN, the original publisher of Swift's tirade, went out of business in 1992.

The important thing now is the Congressional Record, eh? As long as you're standing on it, would you mind telling me what date it was entered, by whom, and under what circumstances?

Or, are those not important?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

(Edit--to confirm date of GCN cessation; I got it from the first available link of Bowser's Lycos search.)
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From the Congressional Record, 1834. On The Deist's Immortality. By Lysander Spooner.

Compared with these [Deist] views and prospects, how puerile is the heaven of Christians--how enervating to the mind their languishing and dreamy longings after a monotonous and unnatural bliss. Many of them do indeed believe in the eternal progress of the soul-but they obtain not this belief from the Bible. It was the much scoffed at theology of reason and nature, that taught to them this doctrine, which is, above all others connected with the future, valuable to man while here, and honorable to Deity.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
http://www.lysanderspooner.org/DeistImm.htm

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot
 
<img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon10.gif"> I stand corrected: http://www.vcyamerica.org/swift.html

Very good, Tiassa. You have found a site whose motives I do not question. I removed my original post. Certainly, that first line should be included.

Thanx for your efforts.

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"Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately."

Start a new topic and we will see how far we can argue the value of that assumption.
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"Seems like they're assuming much about the author's intent. I mention that because that kind of hollow assumption seems to be of interest, lately."
Start a new topic and we will see how far we can argue the value of that assumption.

Didn't I do this when I threw a tantrum over in the Religious Discussions board about theistic trends regarding atheism?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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You have found a site whose motives I do not question.

So does that mean that Christian ministry is the qualification for trust?

If I call myself Christian, do you automatically trust me? Or do I have to be a Christian who agrees with what you think God says?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot
 
Some lite relief -

Opera is people singing when they should be talking.

And.

Rap is people talking when they should be singing.

I have failed to appreciate either.
 
“Be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak and wrong. Sometime in your life, you will have been all of these.” - Anonymous.

There is no failure except in no longer trying. - Anonymous.

The person who insists upon seeing with perfect clearness before they decide – never decides. - Henry Frederick Ameil.
 
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