Christian Nationalism and School Boards

Pinball1970 said:
Louisiana governor Landry signed a bill into law that requires a poster-sized print of the Abrahamic god's “10 commandments” on the wall of all public schools, through college.
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What happened to separation of church and state?

Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that has been legally challenged in the past, with the courts ruling that such laws are unconstitutional?

Is the aim here to get another case before the Supreme Court, in the hopes that the court will overturn decades of precedents on this sort of thing?
 
James R said:
What happened to separation of church and state?

Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that has been legally challenged in the past, with the courts ruling that such laws are unconstitutional?

Is the aim here to get another case before the Supreme Court, in the hopes that the court will overturn decades of precedents on this sort of thing?
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How do you sneak Jesus into the classroom? Pretend it's science.
10 failed attempts from 1968-2005 the last one being Dover.

Where science fails let's try Literature instead, the Bible is that at least?
Yes it is and it is history and philosophy all good, however the Christian Nationalists will not want it taught like that, they will want it taught as fact like a preacher from the pulpit.
If you listen to some of the testimonies you will hear the objectives which include:
Distortion of scripture.
Anti Semitic tropes.
Stories as fact.

I hope it ends up in a law suit, bring out the likes of Israel Finkelstein and Francesca Stavracopoulou if they want to hear the OT dismantled and destroyed as fiction.
 
Pinball1970 said:
How do you sneak Jesus into the classroom?
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Jesus doesn't make it into the classroom, or into any right-wing agenda. Jesus is made to stand in the corner in the hall, wearing a dunce hat. The guy was a communist, ffs! Jehovah, now, there's a Strongman, sweeping out the impure and foreigners, smiting the disobedient and mouthy.
 
This from the Texas Constitution Bill of Rights, seems to start off okay, but goes a little wonky at the end!!
THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION. ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.
(Feb. 15, 1876.)
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https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CN/pdf/CN.1/CN.1.4.pdf

Can’t find if this has been tested in any court?
 
Jeeves said:
Jesus doesn't make it into the classroom, or into any right-wing agenda. Jesus is made to stand in the corner in the hall, wearing a dunce hat. The guy was a communist, ffs! Jehovah, now, there's a Strongman, sweeping out the impure and foreigners, smiting the disobedient and mouthy
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Jesus was not a communist.

Did you watch the testimonies?
 
Jeeves said:
He lived in a commune, and told his people not to store up riches, etc. He sure wasn't a capitalist; probably wouldn't have given corporations big contracts and tax breaks, so as far as the American right is concerned, he was flaming Marxist, eight miles left of the Harris.

Which testimonies?
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He was from rural Galilee and poor. He had to work for a living.
 
Jeeves said:
He lived in a commune, and told his people not to store up riches, etc. He sure wasn't a capitalist; probably wouldn't have given corporations big contracts and tax breaks, so as far as the American right is concerned, he was flaming Marxist, eight miles left of the Harris.

Which testimonies?
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These testimonies

 
Pinball1970 said:
Jesus was a Jew. He was from rural Galilee and poor. He had to work for a living.[/i]
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Right up until he started preaching. While he was a carpenter, he was not a religious figure; as a miracle-working martyr, he became one. Indeed, he persuaded other working men away from their fishnets and tax collection routes, to follow him and be like the lilies of the field.
Pinball1970 said:
and followed Jewish law[/i]
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Up to a point. He made amendments which were unpopular with the priesthood.
Pinball1970 said:
, communism did not exist then.
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Of course it did! Had for some considerable time in many places among many peoples, and continued to exist in pockets all over the world before anybody gave it a name, turned it political or made a big stink about it.
 
billvon said:
Well, I mean "murder" wasn't called murder back then, but you can bet it existed. Even if they didn't have our word for it.
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Communism is state control, Jesus was not about that, anti that.
He was anti Jewish hierarchy AND Roman control.
He was an apocalyptic Jew, revelation from the divine not state directed.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Communism is state control . . .
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No. It's an economic system that replaces private property with public ownership and communal control.

Jesus didn't endorse any particular economic systems, but what he did was instructive.

He became very angry with moneychangers in churches. He attacks them for turning a temple in Jerusalem into "a house of trade" - which would seem to indicate he's no fan of capitalist trade. And in 1 Timothy he warns about desire for money: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs." Matthew 6: "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."

So was he more into public ownership and communal sharing of resources?

Acts 4: " All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales, and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."

Luke 3: “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Deuteronomy 6: "Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God that he has given you."

Luke 12: " Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

James 5: "Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter."

Sure sounds like Jesus comes down more on the side of communism.
 
billvon said:
Acts 4: " All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales, and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need."

Luke 3: “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Deuteronomy 6: "Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the Lord your God that he has given you."

Luke 12: " Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

James 5: "Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter."

Sure sounds like Jesus comes down more on the side of communism.
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You left out Jesus' (arguably) most popular expression of communism/anti-capitalism:

Mark 10 25: "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."
 
Pinball1970 said:
Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish law, communism did not exist then.
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Jeeves said:
Of course it did! Had for some considerable time in many places among many peoples, and continued to exist in pockets all over the world before anybody gave it a name, turned it political or made a big stink about it.
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The structure of all non-human social animal cultures is essentially communistic (and, for the millionth time: all that Alpha-wolf bs exists only within captivity, or canid societies heavily interfered with by humans), as are those of most non-hierarchical human societies, as per Marshall Sahlins Stone Age Economics and, particularly, the essay "The Original Affluent Society" contained therein. (Also, again, the late David Graeber is sorely missed.)
 
parmalee said:
The structure of all non-human social animal cultures is essentially communistic (and, for the millionth time: all that Alpha-wolf bs exists only within captivity, or canid societies heavily interfered with by humans), as are those of most non-hierarchical human societies, as per Marshall Sahlins Stone Age Economics and, particularly, the essay "The Original Affluent Society" contained therein. (Also, again, the late David Graeber is sorely missed.)
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Ok so absolutely nothing to do with modern communism got it.

Jesus of course was not concerned with this world, he thought it was coming to end soon. So giving away wealth was squaring things with god not being a proper communist.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Ok so absolutely nothing to do with modern communism got it.
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That's right! "Modern" systems of all kinds are profoundly corrupted - the English language as applied in the political arena, more than most. In today's world, besides monastic orders, which go back to before Christianity, secular communes do exist; they're small and private and nothing to do with state control.
Jesus of course was not concerned with this world, he thought it was coming to end soon. So giving away wealth was squaring things with god not being a proper communist.
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Jesus had no wealth to give away. He left his family home in whatever he was wearing, empty-handed, and lived as the Hindu monks do, on charity. That in itself is neither a political nor economic position; it's a religious thing.
But while he did live in this world with the other people who joined him, they shared what they had and he strongly encouraged all of his audiences to 'feed his sheep' - i.e. take care of the poor people, the elderly and ill - to give their cloaks to beggars, share their bread, help a victim of robbery, and be generous to one another.
Yes, I think a great many (say 48%) of American voters would call that communist.
 
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They are angry that the Germans messed up a perfectly good moniker. (National Capitalist Christian Workers' Party just sounded right!)
 
Jeeves said:
Yes, I think a great many (say 48%) of American voters would call that communist.
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Or just being a good human, a humanitarian, a good Samaritan, a Christian even, though Jesus would not know what that was.

Anyway, hippy commune, Monk commune or modern state communism was not Jesus' ministry.
Be nice to people BUT being a good Jew by following Mosaic law because the end was coming soon was his message.
 
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