Can we define god?

sculptor said:
or
Is chaos just a word we use for something which we fail to understand?
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Perhaps, but I like to think that logic is a transcendent universal truth, similar to probability and the exponential function, which if not constant functions, would immediately return an emergent orderly system back into a state of chaos.

I think this concept is explained in Chaos Theory. The logical function is bi-directional, AFAIK.

A simple method for detecting chaos in nature
Abstract
A remarkable diversity of natural phenomena are thought to be chaotic. Formally, a system is chaotic if it is bounded (meaning that, like a planet circling a star, its dynamics stay inside an orbit rather than escaping off to infinity), and if it is deterministic (meaning that, with the exact same initial conditions, it will always evolve over time in the same way), and if tiny perturbations to the system get exponentially amplified (Glossary (Supplementary Information), Supplementary Figs. 1, 2).
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The meteorologist Edward Lorenz famously described this phenomenon as the butterfly effect: in a chaotic system, something as small as the flapping of a butterfly’s wings can cause an effect as big as a tornado.
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This conceptually simple phenomenon—i.e., extreme sensitivity to small perturbations—is thought to appear everywhere in nature, from cosmic inflation1, to the orbit of Hyperion2, to the Belousov–Zhabotinskii chemical reaction3, to the electrodynamics of the stimulated Squid giant axon4. These are only a few examples of the many places in nature where chaos has been found.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-019-0715-9[/quote]
 
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God is LOVE. Love is a deep feeling of affection, and happiness. Both romantic and deeply pleasurable.
 
kx000 said:
God is LOVE. Love is a deep feeling of affection, and happiness. Both romantic and deeply pleasurable.
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That's a newbie

LOVE said Let there be Light blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Bingo we have a Universe

:)
 
Precious.......
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Write4U said:
... into a state of chaos.
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story time
OK?
this is an old story and many versions have come about
in some, the gods became kings or emperors
in some, there were 4 gods/kings/emperors and in some just 2
in some there were 9 holes and in some, only 7
ok?
here's the first of the stories that i read over 40 years ago
story
Long ago and far away there were 4 gods of the middle kingdom, and the primogenitor god CHAOS
(also known as Hun-tun)
ok
The 4 gods of the cardinal points of the compass would gather together in the domain of Chaos
They were very human like while Chaos was undifferentiated---resembling an amorphous blob
Chaos always treated them well
so
The 4 gods thought to improve Chaos by modernizing Chaos
They observed that they and all humans had 9 bodily opening, while Chaos had none
eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus, and urinary meatus
so they set about boring one hole a day in Chaos.
They bored the holes for the eyes, then the nose, then the mouth then the ears, and on the 8th day, the urinary meatus and on the ninth day the bored the hole for the anus
and
on the ninth day
Chaos died

and the moral is.......................................................................................................
 
sculptor said:
and the moral is.......
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Don't believe in gods.

Why do descriptions of gods always include some kind of intent, which is reserved for sentient intelligence.

If we change the definition of a god to an implacable force which acts in a semi-intelligent manner, then the entire story gains clarity and justifies the existence of the god of science, the god of inquiry and clarity in understanding the character of the other gods.....:rolleyes:

The God of Mathematics is my implacable non-sentient semi-intelligent guiding force. It's an honest and demonstrably true presence. Our belief in the mathematical bible is a justifiable belief, IMO
 
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I find this remarkable.

Flora uses Carbon Dioxide and produces Oxygen. Fauna uses Oxygen and produces Carbon Dioxide.
Is it any wonder that the forests are host to so many species?

What other remarkable juxtapositions can be found in nature that thrive on each others waste products?

"Natural Selection" is the greatest semi-intelligent function, responsible for the evolution and exquisite fine-tuning of life to its environment. It does not require a brain or motive. Yet it exerts an irresistible guidance toward greater complexity in self-referential awareness in living species and their ability to use the environmental conditions to their advantage.

No magic, no miracles, just evolving natural patterns of ever greater complexity.....:rolleyes:
 
Write4U said:
What other remarkable juxtapositions can be found in nature that thrive on each others waste products?

"Natural Selection" is the greatest semi-intelligent function, responsible for the evolution and exquisite fine-tuning of life to its environment. It does not require a brain or motive. Yet it exerts an irresistible guidance toward greater complexity in self-referential awareness in living species and their ability to use the environmental conditions to their advantage.

No magic, no miracles, just evolving natural patterns of ever greater complexity.....:rolleyes:
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There is a non-zero probability that the EM field of consciousness can find itself to exist beyond living organisms, but within the external world. When the conditions are just right (given one's state of awareness and the degree to which one is absolutely certain of God within one's mind), this consciousness can become actual within one's environment. For example, the unseen cable that exists between the television network and the viewer may be intercepted by a conscious being that distributes over reality at large. In such an event, which requires nothing more than a localized awareness generating the non-localized awareness of God, the God can emerge and function independently within one's environment as though it were responding to the person's thoughts.

A demon does not have horns and a beard. It is the embodiment of pure negativity.

My two cents.
 
Lepton said:
There is a non-zero probability that the EM field of consciousness can find itself to exist beyond living organisms, but within the external world. When the conditions are just right (given one's state of awareness and the degree to which one is absolutely certain of God within one's mind), this consciousness can become actual within one's environment. For example, the unseen cable that exists between the television network and the viewer may be intercepted by a conscious being that distributes over reality at large. In such an event, which requires nothing more than a localized awareness generating the non-localized awareness of God, the God can emerge and function independently within one's environment as though it were responding to the person's thoughts.

A demon does not have horns and a beard. It is the embodiment of pure negativity.

My two cents.
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Have you been rearranging your brain again?
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My $1:00 worth

:)
 
Write4U said:
Perhaps, but I like to think that logic is a transcendent universal truth, similar to probability and the exponential function, which if not constant functions, would immediately return an emergent orderly system back into a state of chaos.

I think this concept is explained in Chaos Theory. The logical function is bi-directional, AFAIK.

A simple method for detecting chaos in nature
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The Butterfly Effect is actually named for the shape of a certain graph depicting solutions to Lorenz's weather equations, the butterfly flapping its wings analogy came later.
 
as/re post #68
perhaps this will help clarify the thought?

"Hun-tun, that is Chaos, is not to be confused with the chaos as typically seen in the western world as in "chaotic." It is the supreme ideal of Taoism. Chaos is wholeness, oneness and Nature. Chaos represents the natural state of the world. Digging holes on the head of Chaos means destroying the natural state of the cosmos. Therefore, to the ancient Chinese chaos not only has the meaning of disorder but also presents a respectable aesthetic state. Any outcome is based on the Sensitive Dependence on Initial Conditions. Since any given outcome cannot be predetermined with any amount of accuracy without knowing the full string of preceding events it is oft times viewed as Chaos even though it is the natural order of things. This idea of chaos may be very different from its western counterpart."

from
http://the-wanderling.com/hun-tun.html
 
sculptor said:
Since any given outcome cannot be predetermined with any amount of accuracy without knowing the full string of preceding events it is oft times viewed as Chaos even though it is the natural order of things. This idea of chaos may be very different from its western counterpart.
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I believe it is called "probability theory"

Probability Theory
Probability theory is the branch of mathematics concerned with probability. Although there are several different probability interpretations, probability theory treats the concept in a rigorous mathematical manner by expressing it through a set of axioms.
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Typically these axioms formalise probability in terms of a probability space, which assigns a measure taking values between 0 and 1, termed the probability measure, to a set of outcomes called the sample space. Any specified subset of these outcomes is called an event.
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Central subjects in probability theory include discrete and continuous random variables, probability distributions, and stochastic processes, which provide mathematical abstractions of non-deterministic or uncertain processes or measured quantities that may either be single occurrences or evolve over time in a random fashion.
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Although it is not possible to perfectly predict random events, much can be said about their behavior. Two major results in probability theory describing such behaviour are the law of large numbers and the central limit theorem.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory

The exponential function is a property of Probability Theory.

Exponential distribution
In probability theory and statistics, the exponential distribution is the probability distribution of the time between events in a Poisson point process, i.e., a process in which events occur continuously and independently at a constant average rate.
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.................Probability density function..................................Cumulative distribution function.......
It is a particular case of the gamma distribution. It is the continuous analogue of the geometric distribution, and it has the key property of being memoryless. In addition to being used for the analysis of Poisson point processes it is found in various other contexts.
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And even as Chaos may be the State of Origin, David Bohm proposed a hierarchy of orderings naturally emerging from chaos, based on the principle of "necessity and sufficiency".

Necessity and sufficiency
In logic and mathematics, necessity and sufficiency
are terms used to describe a conditional or implicational relationship between two statements.
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For example, in the conditional statement: "If P then Q", Q is necessary for P, because the truth of P guarantees the truth of Q (equivalently, it is impossible to have P without Q).[1][2] Similarly, P is sufficient for Q, because P being true always implies that Q is true, but P not being true does not always imply that Q is not true.[3]
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In general, a necessary condition is one which must be present in order for another condition to occur, while a sufficient condition is one which produces the said condition.[4] The assertion that a statement is a "necessary and sufficient" condition of another means that the former statement is true if and only if the latter is true.[5] That is, the two statements must be either simultaneously true, or simultaneously false.[6][7][8]
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In ordinary English, "necessary" and "sufficient" indicate relations between conditions or states of affairs, not statements. For example, being a male is a necessary condition for being a brother, but it is not sufficient—while being a male sibling is a necessary and sufficient condition for being a brother.
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Hence my belief in a mathematical Universe, as it is both "necessary and sufficient" for the universe to have evolved as it has.
 
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spidergoat said:
Christians don't believe everyone is God, I think that's Hinduism.
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I think that the Latter day Saints have ideas somewhat like those of Dr. Albert Einstein. A significant percentage of non-LDS tend to agree with this basic idea.

Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood. Albert Einstein stated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza. He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relig...igious views have,which he described as naïve.
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