Black hole multiverse cosmology and Write4U's mathematical universe

[river]

Yes I am I am making a perfectly reasonable and elegant case for an evolving toroidal universe.

OTOH, you are not saying anything at all. So until you have something constructive to contribute, please refrain from your negativities, ok?

I disagree with you , thats it . Problem ?

 

[Write4U]

I disagree with you , thats it . Problem ?

I have no problem with disagreement.
I have a problem with you telling me that I a spouting nonsense, whereas you have nothing constructive to offer at all.

Now do you understand?

 

[river]

I have no problem with disagreement.
I have a problem with you telling me that I a spouting nonsense, whereas you have nothing constructive to offer at all.

Now do you understand?

You are spouting nonsense .

Black-holes in theory eliminate energy and matter , hence then space . There needs to evidence that space , at the center of Galaxies , is shrinking . There isn't and there never will be .

 

[Write4U]

You are spouting nonsense .

Black-holes in theory eliminate energy and matter , hence then space . There needs to evidence that space , at the center of Galaxies , is shrinking . There isn't and there never will be .

Oh but you are wrong, the universe is alternately expanding and shrinking and that would agree with a toroidal Universe. The has Universe has a wave function and is dynamical.

How do you know this? Have you peeked beyond the event horizon?. You make some very daring assumptions.
In a toroidal universe all matter and energy would remain conserved, as would in a multiverse.
It would just change form.

What happens to water in a whirlpool? Does the river shrink from all that disappearing water?

Where does it say that black holes eliminate matter and energy ? You cannot just spout that kind of nonsense without some pretty reliable sources and concensus.

 

[river]

Oh but you are wrong, the universe is alternately expanding and shrinking and that would agree with a toroidal Universe. The has Universe has a wave function and is dynamical.

How do you know this? Have you peeked beyond the event horizon?. You make some very daring assumptions.
In a toroidal universe all matter and energy would remain conserved, as would in a multiverse.
It would just change form.

What happens to water in a whirlpool? Does the river shrink from all that disappearing water?

Where does it say that black holes eliminate matter and energy ? You cannot just spout that kind of nonsense without some pretty reliable sources and concensus.

The water is recirculated . Within the river .

Highlighted

It has to , to get to minute , miniscule , sphere of energy . A singularity . Black-hole . By gravity ( nonsense ) , the weakest force of all .

 

[Write4U]

The water is recirculated . Within the river .

Highlighted

It has to , to get to minute , miniscule , sphere of energy . A singularity . Black-hole . By gravity ( nonsense ) , the weakest force of all .

I think you seriously underestimate the size and mass of some cosmic objects.
Largest black hole: TON 618

Supermassive black holes are thought to lurk in the center of every galaxy and can clock in at many millions of times the mass of the sun. But the biggest known black hole can be found powering a distant quasar — gigantic objects in the early universe spewing out insane amounts of radiation. This one, known as TON 618, has an estimated mass of 66 billion suns,

And an average star like the sun's gravity holds how many planets locked in orbit? On a cosmic scale, any value however small becomes causally significant


In 2004, astronomers noticed a gigantic region of empty space in maps created by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite, which scanned in exquisite detail the cosmic microwave background, or the leftover radiation from the Big Bang. The spot, which spans 1.8 billion light-years across, according to Vice, is strangely devoid of stars, gas, dust and even dark matter. While they have seen previous voids, researchers remain baffled as to how exactly one of this size and scale formed.


Cosmic Record Holders: The 12 Biggest Objects in the Universe | Live Science

 

[river]

I think you seriously underestimate the size and mass of some cosmic objects.
Largest black hole: TON 618
View attachment 4707
Supermassive black holes are thought to lurk in the center of every galaxy and can clock in at many millions of times the mass of the sun. But the biggest known black hole can be found powering a distant quasar — gigantic objects in the early universe spewing out insane amounts of radiation. This one, known as TON 618, has an estimated mass of 66 billion suns,

And an average star like the sun's gravity holds how many planets locked in orbit? On a cosmic scale, any value however small becomes causally significant

View attachment 4708
In 2004, astronomers noticed a gigantic region of empty space in maps created by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite, which scanned in exquisite detail the cosmic microwave background, or the leftover radiation from the Big Bang. The spot, which spans 1.8 billion light-years across, according to Vice, is strangely devoid of stars, gas, dust and even dark matter. While they have seen previous voids, researchers remain baffled as to how exactly one of this size and scale formed.


Cosmic Record Holders: The 12 Biggest Objects in the Universe | Live Science

Highlighted

Filaments , and the space between filaments in the Cosmic Web .

 

[Write4U]

Highlighted

Filaments , the space between filaments in the Cosmic Web .

And what does that mean?
What is the significance of voids within the cosmic web? No massive objects?

 

[river]

river said: ↑
Highlighted

Filaments , the space between filaments in the Cosmic Web .

And what does that mean?
What is the significance of voids within the cosmic web? No massive objects?

Highlighted

Excellent question . We don't know ....yet.

Why no massive objects ? All Galaxies , stars etc. Are In the filaments of the Cosmic Web . So what is going on jn this space between filaments ?

 

[Write4U]

Highlighted
Excellent question . We don't know ....yet.

What about the black hole ? Does it exist or not?

Why no massive objects ? All Galaxies , stars etc. Are In the filaments of the Cosmic Web . So what is going on jn this space between filaments ?

No massive objects, no gravity, no clustering. These are just pockets of empty space, but not voids.

That is the essence of a dynamic spacetime. it is essentially chaotic but with randomly emerging patterns

 

[Write4U]

It makes sense to many , but its wrong . Mathematical " elegance " is irrelevant .

Some speculative aspects ? It is all speculative . BH . Mathematical Speculation . Thats it .

Irrelevant?

Don't underestimate the theoretical mathematics. You seem to forget that almost all observed knowledge of the universe has been mathematically explained and/or predicted because it is all mathematical in essence.

All physical phenomena are grounded in mathematics. Mathematical relationships is all there is!
It is a symphony of values interacting via mathematical functions.
That is the beautiful elegance of the universe.

 

[Michael 345]

This might settle some of the disagreement

https://www.universetoday.com/15511...g-each-other-doomed-to-collide-in-the-future/

 

[Write4U]

Some speculative aspects ? It is all speculative . BH . Mathematical Speculation . Thats it .

Well, you will have to prove Penrose and Hawking wrong. Penrose was one of the scientists who received the Nobel prize for this theory.

How The Penrose Singularity Theorem Predicts The End of Space Time

But perhaps also predicts the creation of new universes. In any case it explains what happens in a black hole and why there are empty spaces in the spacetime web.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences has decided to award the Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

with one half to

ROGER PENROSE
Born 1931 in Colchester, UK. Ph.D.
1957 at University of Cambridge, UK.
Professor at University of Oxford, UK

“for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity”

and the other half jointly to

REINHARD GENZEL
Born 1952 in Bad Homburg vor
der Höhe, Germany. Ph.D. 1978
at University of Bonn, Germany.
Director at Max Planck Institute for
Extraterrestrial Physics, Garching,
Germany and Professor at University
of California, Berkeley, USA.

and

ANDREA GHEZ
Born 1965 in City of New York, USA.
Ph.D. 1992 at California Institute of
Technology, Pasadena, USA.
Professor at University of California,
Los Angeles, USA.

“for the discovery of a supermassive compact object at the centre of our galaxy”

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2020/press-release/

 

[river]

river said: ↑
It makes sense to many , but its wrong . Mathematical " elegance " is irrelevant .

Some speculative aspects ? It is all speculative . BH . Mathematical Speculation . Thats it .

Irrelevant?

Don't underestimate the theoretical mathematics. You seem to forget that almost all observed knowledge of the universe has been mathematically explained and/or predicted because it is all mathematical in essence.

All physical phenomena are grounded in mathematics. Mathematical relationships is all there is!
It is a symphony of values interacting via mathematical functions.
That is the beautiful elegance of the universe.

How many predictions by mathematics have explained anomalies in the observable Universe , none .

Without the three dimensional physical objects , which grounds mathematics , mathematics would not exist . Simple really .

 

[Write4U]

How many predictions by mathematics have explained anomalies in the observable Universe , none .

In a dynamic universe it is a wonder we can make any predictions at all.
Tell me where that piece of flotsam floating in the river is going to make landfall somewhere downstream.

 

[river]

In a dynamic universe it is a wonder we can make any predictions at all.

Learning about The Electric Universe would help .

Tell me where that piece of flotsam floating in the river is going to make landfall somewhere downstream.

Truth . Because in the end the Universe is what it is . And if we fool ourselves , we are done .

 

[Write4U]

Learning about The Electric Universe would help .

Learning about the Electric Universe helps me understand electricity, but nothing about DYNAMISM. That relies on symmetry breaking.

Truth .

Well that is the question, no?

Because in the end the Universe is what it is . And if we fool ourselves , we are done .

You go right ahead fooling yourself.

 

[Michael 345]

Trying to be helpful here

https://www-thebrighterside-news.cd...ronomers-determine-what-s-inside-a-black-hole

 

[Write4U]

Trying to be helpful here

From the link;

Some scientists claim our entire universe is a holographic representation of particles, and this could lead to a consistent quantum explanation of gravity.

A work by Rinaldi and colleagues, published in the journal PRX Quantum, examines how to probe holographic duality using quantum computing and deep learning to determine the lowest energy state of mathematical problems known as quantum matrix models.

Particle theory is represented by these quantum matrix models. Because holographic duality implies that what happens mathematically in a system representing particle theory will also affect a system representing gravity, solving such a quantum matrix model could yield gravity-related knowledge.

Hello David Bohm, we are revisiting your "holographic universe"

David Bohm and The Holographic Universe:
/ FromQuarkstoQuasars

For Bohm, all of reality was a dynamic process in which all manifest objects are in a state of constant flux. By introducing the concepts of “implicate order” and “explicate order”, Bohm argued that the empty space in the universe contained the whole of everything. It is the source of explicate order, the order of the physical world, and is a realm of pure information. From it, the physical, observable phenomena unfold, and again, return to it. This unfolding of the explicit order from the subtle realm of the implicate order, and the movement of all matter in terms of enfolding and unfolding, is what Bohm called the Holomovement.

Bohm believed that although the universe appears to be solid, it is, in essence, a magnificent hologram. He believed in the “whole in every part” idea, and just like a hologram, each part of physical reality contained information about the whole.

WATCH: BOHM INTERVIEW
https://futurism.com/david-bohm-and-the-holographic-universe[/QUOTE]

 

[river]

Holographic Universe , your post#673 Write4U

Particle theory is represented by these quantum matrix models. Because holographic duality implies that what happens mathematically in a system representing particle theory will also affect a system representing gravity, solving such a quantum matrix model could yield gravity-related knowledge.

Wrong . It is the physical , quantum matrix , that allows the hologram to exist in the first place . Without the quantum , the mathematics would not exist . The physical is the essence of mathematics .

Highlighted

The holographic duality implies that the mathematics depends on the particle theory existence .