Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

Atheists : Are you on a crusade?

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No, atheism just logically and naturally falls out of common sense and science.

Religious beliefs also serve to advance science, in some ways, for example, spurring the further study of evolution, by Dawkins or some others, perhaps, but I don't want to speak for the guy, even though the religious always go on to speak for their Guy, another ridiculous move, again showing that the Guy isn't even there to speak.


(Are you going to continue the big Idea of the big 'C' of Consciousness somewhere, responding to all that we said, sticking to only the harming or helping of ideas, and not the people themselves?)
 
I sure am.
One day though, I will find those obscure science fiction books that I've hunting for for decades. Until that day I'll keep struggling.
Did you have any other, particular, type of crusade in mind?
 
Kellisness said:
Not all theists are on a crusade.
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No, not all but many are, and in my experience as an American agnostic it would make my relationship w/ family and acquaintances a lot easier if I believed in their Christian God or any God for that matter! In my experience most atheists and agnostics do not discuss their non belief because theists then start condemning them to hell!
 
quinnsong said:
No, not all but many are, and in my experience as an American agnostic it would make my relationship w/ family and acquaintances a lot easier if I believed in their Christian God or any God for that matter! In my experience most atheists and agnostics do not discuss their non belief because theists then start condemning them to hell!
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When you say theists, you mean christians, right? I know that you know that theism extends beyond christianity, but it seems that when you say "theist" you're thinking "christian". But even so, most christians aren't on a crusade. Most theists aren't. Most atheists aren't. Most people aren't. It's best to take a step back and see things as they are.
 
Kellisness said:
When you say theists, you mean christians, right? I know that you know that theism extends beyond christianity, but it seems that when you say "theist" you're thinking "christian". But even so, most christians aren't on a crusade. Most theists aren't. Most atheists aren't. Most people aren't. It's best to take a step back and see things as they are.[/QUOT


Being an American, I mostly come in contact w/ different sects of Christianity, however had some experiences w/ Muslims who get rather preachy at times too! Obviously you have never lived in the Bible belt, because many theists there ,which do happen to be Christians, are on a crusade!
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It's the theists who are on a f#!*ing crusade and it always has been.
 
Rav said:
It's the theists who are on a f#!*ing crusade and it always has been.
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And they did go on The Crusades to fights the Muslims or whomever.

And they sure crusade at SciForum, allowing us to sharpen our arguments against.
 
Dywyddyr said:
One day though, I will find those obscure science fiction books that I've hunting for for decades. Until that day I'll keep struggling.
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Which ones and by who? Are they that rare that they have become only part of a collection?
 
Some old Roger Zelanzys (Jack of Shadows for one), Dean Koontz (when he wrote SF and not horror), some I remember vaguely from my childhood/ youth - Colin Kapp's Unorthodox Engineers, for example.
Some are so obscure now there's not even bootleg scanned copies available on the 'net - just people saying they enjoyed that particular book and where can they get a copy.
 
Kellishness perhaps wants to somehow hint that crusades naturally have no truth, as supposedly being just emotional undertakings, but some do and some don't.
 
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Dywyddyr said:
Some old Roger Zelanzys (Jack of Shadows for one), Dean Koontz (when he wrote SF and not horror), some I remember vaguely from my childhood/ youth - Colin Kapp's Unorthodox Engineers, for example.
Some are so obscure now there's not even bootleg scanned copies available on the 'net - just people saying they enjoyed that particular book and where can they get a copy.
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(off topic)
Doesn't the Library of Congress have them digitized by now, can't you find them there, after all it has just about every book ever copyrighted?
 
Doesn't have any Colin Kapp listed. :bawl:
Do they sell digital copies if I find some of the others I'm after?
Although I'd rather find a hard copy - looking through second-hand bookshops is fun.
 
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