Apartment number

sweetpea said:
OMG, that's so spooky... Sum the ones in your apt number, you get 3. Multiply the 7 in your apt number by 3 and you get 21. That's the number in sideshow's dream. Spooky.
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OK, yes. There's the implication for space and time that birch seeks.

birch and sideshowbob are the same person in a previous life!
 
Don't forget it was MR's apartment number, so MR's got to go in the mix somewhere?? Poor sideshow. This is getting like the movie ''Cloud Atlas''. And I couldn't make sense of that either.
 
birch said:
How can one prove they saw a vision of a random apartment number years before and then later ended up in an apartment with the same number on the door along with some other details that make it creepily less likely to be not coincidental? Also, it wasnt the first choice as that was taken and the next available was offered so it wasnt conscious.
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You can't prove it, unless you wrote down some of the details from the vision at the time?

Coincidences happen all the time. You'll have a hard time ever proving something is not simple coincidence and selection bias. That is why all testing of supped psychic abilities need to be robust, rigorous and free from any means of tampering or faking etc.

What I suggest, if you are indeed serious in this endeavour, is to set up a thread called "birch's visions" or some such, and then document each vision you have, numbering them. Then, when you think they have come true, you can look back and search through the record, and we can discuss whether it is coincidence or not.
If the future can be seen, what does this possibly mean about time or space?
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It means the universe is deterministic.
"Seeing the future" isn't all that difficult if all that it entails is estimating what will happen next.
If I drop a china mug onto a concrete floor from a significant height, is it "seeing the future" to imagine the mug shattering, or simply me estimating the likeliest effect?
Why would someone see these things in the first place or shown things to a person who is not even a scientist? What could be the point? To have debates with people who obviously need empirical evidence which one can even sympathize with but can't like its some cosmic joke?
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Many people raise these matters in debating sites simply to garner attention. Maybe they really do believe what they claim, maybe they don't, but the reason is often not to have serious debate but simply to be seen and to be the focus of attention.


There is also the matter of deja vu, where the brain simply makes you think it has seen something before when in fact it hasn't. So it may very well be that your brain has tricked you into thinking that you had a vision of the apartment number (and other details) years ago, when actually you didn't.
Not saying this is the explanation, only one to consider.
 
birch said:
How can one prove they saw a vision of a random apartment number years before and then later ended up in an apartment with the same number on the door along with some other details that make it creepily less likely to be not coincidental?
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This is kind of like you thinking about your mother phoning you and then the phone rings and it's her. You remember the hits and forget the misses. All the times you thought about your mother and the phone didn't ring are forgotten. So are all the times you thought about your mother, the phone rung and it was somebody else on the line. But you're sure to remember those freaky mother-call coincidences.

So, you imagined an apartment number, and then years later, hey presto you moved into an apartment with that number? And in all the years in between? What about the apartments that all had the "wrong" number? What about other places you lived that we're even apartments? I guess they don't "count".

But let's say, for the sake of argument, that there's only a 1 in a million chance that this apartment number thing could happen to you by chance. How many people live in your city? More than a million? In that casse, purely by chance, we'd expect at least one of those people in your city to have the weird freaky apartment number thing happen to them. Maybe you just got lucky. (And, besides, I think the chances would be significantly less than one in a million, based on what you've said so far.)

But Magical Realist will tell you it's ESP or ghosts.
 
James R said:
So, you imagined an apartment number, and then years later, hey presto you moved into an apartment with that number? And in all the years in between? What about the apartments that all had the "wrong" number? What about other places you lived that we're even apartments? I guess they don't "count".
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if that were the case, then it wouldn't have any significance. to the person a vision has personal significance as to why it was seen after it is confirmed. that's why i mentioned the context/details count. the time i had this vision was when i was living alone in my apartment, all other times was living with others, an apartment not in my name, house etc. the vision specifically was of a number on a door. at the time i even double-checked the numbers on the businesses that i went to but none matched. so the connection is that i would be having an apartment again in my name just as at that time. it may seem coincidental to others but to the person, they just know it's not. of course, even knowing coincidences happen because they do all the time that don't have any significance but a vision is different. a vision does not happen the same as imagining or daydreaming. a vision forces itself into your psyche and is viscerally different is the best way to describe it. the qualitative difference is hard to explain but to the person they can tell when something is just a random thought. there is some other personal details connected to this that i can't share but know on hindsight the reason for the vision in the first place. it wasn't about the apartment number but the circumstances attached to it as well as significant people/events. seeing these things before does not change anything just as for someone who doesn't so there is no luck or anything practically different as far as the flow of life for me or anyone else. i just saw foresaw ahead of time what i could not predict to know when or how, just the same as if i didn't. no difference as far as life events except questioning time/space because of it.
 
Magical Realist said:
My mother phoned me 5 minutes after she died. You tend to remember things like that.
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I'm inclined to leave this one alone. My sympathies regarding your loss.

But seeing as you brought it up, I feel compelled to ask: what did she say when she called?
 
James R said:
I'm inclined to leave this one alone. My sympathies regarding your loss.

But seeing as you brought it up, I feel compelled to ask: what did she say when she called?
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Not detailing this personal experience so others here can make fun of it. Just saying it happened. If you have a loved one who is about to die, I recommend asking them to give you a sign after they pass. It worked for me and works for many others.
 
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Magical Realist said:
Not detailing this personal experience so others here can make fun of it. Just saying it happened.
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I don't want to push this, but I'm kinda assuming that your phone rang, indicating a call from your mother, and when you answered nobody was on the line, or something like that. If that's the case, then I think you're ascribing a random glitch in the phone system to supernatural causes, which wouldn't be inconsistent with your usual inclination to prefer extraordinary explanations to mundane ones.

If you have a loved one who is about to die, I recommend asking them to give you a sign after they pass.
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Why is it always ambiguous "signs" with ghosts? Why can't they ever directly communicate something meaningful? Nobody ever comes out of a ghost encounter knowing something they didn't know when they went in. The same is true of UFO abductees.
 
Why is it always ambiguous "signs" with ghosts? Why can't they ever directly communicate something meaningful?
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You don't think proof of the afterlife is meaningful? Most people find it so. Why wouldn't you? A sign from a departed loved one is also assuring in that it shows they hold no grudges against you. All is forgiven on the other side. That's pretty meaningful to me.
 
Magical Realist said:
My mother phoned me 5 minutes after she died. You tend to remember things like that.
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MR, you know this is the web and decided to tell of your very personal call from your mother. Such an experience should be respected. So, may I ask, would you make a video like Rue's and have those crazy sound effects in the background when talking of your mother's call to you? What would they add to the very personal telling of your experience?

Also, I know your not religious, so what do you personally mean here by ''on the other side ?
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All is forgiven on the other side.
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So, may I ask, would you make a video like Rue's and have those crazy sound effects in the background when talking of your mother's call to you? What would they add to the very personal telling of your experience?
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No..since I have no intention of telling about the event to everyone and their dog.

Also, I know your not religious, so what do you personally mean here by ''on the other side ?
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The afterlife...
 
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