Anyone concerned about solar flares/storms?

[wegs]

So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage.

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

The sun seems so quiet and peaceful, until it spews radiation in random directions and causes havoc. Guess this is my new favorite anxiety thought.

 

[Seattle]

I think the magnetosphere would take care of the problem for those on Earth. If you are on a space ship it's a potential problem.

 

[billvon]

So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage. Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation)

Nope. No significant increase in radiation for us. You'd get more radiation flying across the country.

Loss of our electrical and communication systems, though, could kill tens of thousands. If a Carrington event occurred today it would be a disaster.

what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

Stockpile large grid scale transformers. Harden substations, transmission lines and powerplants. Harden communications equipment. Invest in grid resiliency (a big topic nowadays.) Enable more islanding by local utilities. Have backup communications methods in place (radio, line-of-sight optical, fiber.)

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Invest in grid resiliency

lol
in a user pays society ?

they had their chance they failed
the dye is cast

sounds like your trying to validate spending working class taxes on
"rich peoples problems"
'''''rich people committee meetings'''''
with no outcomes except some stern words of warning lol !

followed by a money scramble to rich people with working class tax income as corporate elitist rich people only, free money

hows that working in texas ?

are the Texan citizens getting their money back from the corporate's ?
never !

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

several questions you have asked
there is a lot of reading for you to do

basic areas are
climate change
solar cycles/ solar weather
cancer
biological impact
infrastructure impact

nasa is hated by most republicans, they consider nasa to be a socialist organization & the religious political people think nasa is a bunch of heathen evil witches defying gods will & trying to damn the human species into hellfire
(& they all share the same political party{republican}
(hows that for interesting)[just throwing that reality out there for you to think about]

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer?

you choose your words very carefully
but in paying lip service to the liberal extremist ideology you define radiation as being "not a cause of cancer"
which is inherently scientifically incorrect
the radiation causes the mutation thus it causes cancer

is that a show stopper ?

what could we do now to prevent a complete black out,

the royal "we" of american society is = to absolutely nothing
because the average american doesn't care
however, possibly to their own worst advice, science has sought to invest & find possible ways to reduce the end of modern civilization as most know it.
the advanced warning is approximately 24 to 48 hours currently & has not been standardized inside national infrastructure networks because of the amount of psychos who are in leadership positions

that Texan mother whos struggling to pay for the funeral of her dead 11 year old child who froze to death in the electricity black outs probably doesn't share some peoples selective privileged rose tinted view of real world consequences

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-11-year-boy-died-texas-deep-freeze/story?id=76030082

Texas power providers Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) and Entergy Corporation have been hit with a $100 million lawsuit accusing them of gross negligence in the death of a child whose family suspects he suffered hypothermia when they lost electricity and heat in their mobile home during a historic cold snap.

. . . . . . wegs . . . . . .

dont take my tone personally
its a culture issue with Americans
they simply don't care about people its always profit before people
money talks in business
but listen to the comment
"100 million is too much for an 11 year old boy"
if the money is not large enough to make them really hurt, then it is not punishment
and they need to be punished to deliver justice

these companys are the people who need to be doing the changing

• (they own & control it)

so how do americans force them to change ?
this 100 million dollar law suit being won by the mother would be a good start

 

[billvon]

lol
in a user pays society ?

Well, you have two entities who want them:
1) Utilities
2) People

So here's what you do. You create DR (demand response) companies. They sell you controllable outlets, controllable thermostats and battery systems for some amount of $$$. The utility/state subsidizes these more or less depending on how well their grid is doing.

Then when the utility is about to run out of power, they send a signal to the DR company. The DR company sends a signal to your devices and changes your thermostat, shuts off your hot water heater, refrigerator, EV charger and/or starts up your battery to discharge to the grid. Blackout averted! The utility pays the DR company for the service they provided preventing a blackout, they pay you.

Everyone is happy. You keep your lights on, you get a few $$ from the DR company - and you only had to "suffer" through your thermostat being set four degrees higher for an hour.

sounds like your trying to validate spending working class taxes on
"rich peoples problems"

Nope. The Texas blackouts were very much a poor person's problem.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Well, you have two entities who want them:
1) Utilities
2) People

So here's what you do. You create DR (demand response) companies. They sell you controllable outlets, controllable thermostats and battery systems for some amount of $$$. The utility/state subsidizes these more or less depending on how well their grid is doing.

Then when the utility is about to run out of power, they send a signal to the DR company. The DR company sends a signal to your devices and changes your thermostat, shuts off your hot water heater, refrigerator, EV charger and/or starts up your battery to discharge to the grid. Blackout averted! The utility pays the DR company for the service they provided preventing a blackout, they pay you.

Everyone is happy. You keep your lights on, you get a few $$ from the DR company - and you only had to "suffer" through your thermostat being set four degrees higher for an hour.

Nope. The Texas blackouts were very much a poor person's problem.

when you desire to understand & learn, you must first stop speaking then become silent, then learn to listen, then learn to understand.
at the moment your just continuing to speak

intellectually your just shouting & pointing

Well, you have two entities who want them:
1) Utilities
2) People

your trying to tell me how economics works when the American economic system is fake mixed market leveraged by user pays hyper capitalism bankrupted by socialist tax funding

so you fake general hand wave intimating that some magic solution has suddenly re defined that reality by trying to
"tell me like it is"
is just annoying as equally as irrelevant
you need to change the person making all the decisions to get better quality decisions

your direct approach is to avoid this basic compulsory process
because your giving heir to classicism ?
you tell me
its your brain your mind
your theory
you tell me
why not change the system(people and company's & economic design) that is causing the problem ?

Nope. The Texas blackouts were very much a poor person's problem.

you have flown right past my point
OBVIOUSLY its a working class peoples problem, but they dont control the monopoly corporates or the elitist politicians(sure you can blame them as voters & as a culture, but that wont fix the situation)
possibly you had your head in your champagne & caviar

 

[Seattle]

You do know that "your" and "you're" are two different words, don't you?
"Heir" makes no sense in that context. You mean "air" I suppose.

 

[billvon]

when you desire to understand & learn, you must first stop speaking then become silent, then learn to listen, then learn to understand.
at the moment your just continuing to speak. intellectually your just shouting & pointing

And you are shouting and pointing in five different colors! Bravo!

My suggestion above was for a solution. What is your solution? Do you have one?

your trying to tell me how economics works

Nope. I am giving you a potential solution.

so you fake general hand wave intimating that some magic solution has suddenly re defined that reality by trying to
"tell me like it is"
is just annoying as equally as irrelevant

Not irrelevant at all. Evidence - you responded to it!

You need to change the person making all the decisions to get better quality decisions

I agree. The homeowner is the best person to make those decisions. Give them the power. Why do you want to take away their power? (both literally and figuratively)

 

[Seattle]

You just don't understand Rainbow. You're only on level 2.

 

[Luchito]

So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage.

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

Power to buildings and computers is not an issue, transfer switches will change the source of power from a temporary supplier. Problem is lost of communication that is not capable to be restored, like to say malfunction of satellites due to radiation.

This is the fear from North Korea having access to send spacecrafts and own nuclear power, as an example. Any country capable to send a nuclear device to space is a big threat. A nuclear explosion in space at the level where satellites travel everyday can spread enough radiation to cause permanent damage to all satellites, this is to say, no more internet, no more GPS, entire armies of the world becoming blind to any attack from their enemies.

Besides radiation from the sun, solar winds are another concern, this is since satellites were capable to detect a strong solar wind wave, passing close to earth, and literally cutting off part of our atmosphere and taking it to outer space. The empty area was immediately covered by the rest of our atmosphere.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage.

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

The sun seems so quiet and peaceful, until it spews radiation in random directions and causes havoc. Guess this is my new favorite anxiety thought.

 

[Michael 345]

Anyone concerned about solar flares/storms?

Only those which might occur 2024 and interfere with American space efforts to return to the Moon

 

[RainbowSingularity]

the sun seems to have been a lot quieter than i expected


it appears a CME is going to just miss earth some time from tomorrow onward
which is good
but it will ring up all the frequencies for half a day or so.
AURORA watchers should be leased

Elons star link could not have come sooner

 

[sculptor]

as/re
Anyone concerned about solar flares/storms?
I would be more concerned by the prolonged lack thereof.

.......................................
(i dinnolike the caud weader)

 

[billvon]

Power to buildings and computers is not an issue, transfer switches will change the source of power from a temporary supplier.

Yep. Problem is that the power won't come back for months. How much fuel does the hospital's generator have?

This is the fear from North Korea having access to send spacecrafts and own nuclear power, as an example. Any country capable to send a nuclear device to space is a big threat. A nuclear explosion in space at the level where satellites travel everyday can spread enough radiation to cause permanent damage to all satellites, this is to say, no more internet, no more GPS, entire armies of the world becoming blind to any attack from their enemies.

It's not the radiation that's the problem. It's the EMP which is caused by the interaction between the detonation, our atmosphere and our planet's magnetic field. That EMP can destroy electronics for hundreds of miles in all directions.

 

[Dennis Tate]

So, I've been reading about solar flares and how they could take out power networks and cause extensive damage.

Would a solar flare be a catalyst for wide spread cancer? (due to the radiation) Could we stand a chance to protect ourselves, if we had enough advance warning from NASA? So often, money is spent after disasters strike, what could we do now to prevent a complete black out, should something like this occur?

The sun seems so quiet and peaceful, until it spews radiation in random directions and causes havoc. Guess this is my new favorite anxiety thought.

I tend to take this danger seriously even for philosophical reasons.....

"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." (Isaiah thirty verse twenty six).

 

[DaveC426913]

(Isaiah thirty verse twenty six).

Oh for cryin' out loud, this is a science forum.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Oh for cryin' out loud, this is a science forum.

In 2008 Canada's Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May campaigned in my area, Central - Nova. I sent her a copy of my campaign for municipal councillor that year and she replied essentially : "turning deserts green is one important part of a full response to climate change." She got my vote in that election. Intelligent scientists will grab an opportunity to present a concept to the group of people who tend to be against them for less than intellectually honest reasons.

If a religious document that is somewhat accepted by perhaps twenty percent of the population of your nation has a famous statement that agrees with a policy that relates to saving millions of lives over the next century......... to refuse to quote that document is to turn "Atheism" into something that somewhat resembles a "religion."

Also... there are implications to the fact that some aspects of ancient buildings still cannot be fully duplicated. For example.. ... some aspects of the Pyramids.

My campaign writing can be viewed here:
www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

 

[DaveC426913]

If a religious document that is somewhat accepted by perhaps twenty percent of the population

Fallacy: Argumentum ad populum.

Homeopathy is accepted by many people too. The fact that something is believed by many people does not make it science - let alone true.


Look, you could just as freely make a space weather argument based on quotes from Dr. Seuss (a very popular children's author I might add) - and no one could stop you posting - but your credibility for making a rational argument on science issues will likewise end in flaming wreckage.

of your nation

And what nation would that be?

.... to refuse to quote that document is to turn "Atheism" into something that somewhat resembles a "religion."

This has nothing to do with atheism. It has nothing to do with theism. The issue of atheism versus theism is, itself, not under the purview of science.

This is a science forum. More to the point, this is a hard-science sub-forum.

If you want to talk religion, open a new thread in the Religion subforum. That's what it's for.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Fallacy: Argumentum ad populum.

Homeopathy is accepted by many people too. The fact that something is believed by many people does not make it science - let alone true.


Look, you could just as freely make a space weather argument based on quotes from Dr. Seuss (a very popular children's author I might add) - and no one could stop you posting - but your credibility for making a rational argument on science issues will likewise end in flaming wreckage.


And what nation would that be?


This has nothing to do with atheism. It has nothing to do with theism. The issue of atheism versus theism is, itself, not under the purview of science.

This is a science forum. More to the point, this is a hard-science sub-forum.

If you want to talk religion, open a new thread in the Religion subforum. That's what it's for.

Mr. Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth left America terribly divided partly because he made no effort to reach out toward the political right. I liked his film and watched it probably four times but it was divisive....... and directed only to the political left. If solar flares could well increase melting of the land based Greenland Ice Pack, (which is one logical result), then it could be helpful to make a sincere effort to get people all across the political spectrum thinking about the win - win - win - win, relatively non-divisive method of addressing climate change through deliberately turning deserts green.

What should we do to get prepared for the probability of solar flares?

Turn deserts green on a massive scale and since the 2014 worldwide Derivatives Markets were at seven hundred and ten trillion the idae that we cannot afford to do it is something of a myth. The USA Derivatives markets were at two hundred and ten trillion in 2014 according to Mr. Jim Rickards and Forbes magazine.

“So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.”

“Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated….”

“The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave….”

“So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive….”

“Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…”

“This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.”

“Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.”

“With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.”

“This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.”

“Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect…”


“We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).”

We obviously cannot stop solar flares but... we can get prepared for the probable aftermath.


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