In the context of how you intended this, can you define what you mean by "atheist values?"
Religion doesn't belong in the public school system. For a number of reasons not to mention -- which of the many religions would take precedence?
Any atheists here who were once believers?
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In the context of how you intended this, can you define what you mean by "atheist values?"
Religion doesn't belong in the public school system. For a number of reasons not to mention -- which of the many religions would take precedence?
In the context of how you intended this, can you define what you mean by "atheist values?"
Religion doesn't belong in the public school system. For a number of reasons not to mention -- which of the many religions would take precedence?
Teachers should teach the facts about biology. In a public school, let the students draw their own conclusions. I don't want teachers telling students that God exists or that God doesn't exist. Just the facts.
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Yeah, they don't. I don't think they even can legally.
Make unprovoked derogatory comments of your own? No you don't. At least not here.
Of course they work for you. They're why you're free to worship as you please. Not just in legal terms, either; secularism means that minority religious groups can't be persecuted by larger, more established ones.
Virtually nothing to take for granted today would exist if not for secular values.
What atheist values are those? Again, you're speaking out of total ignorance. Teaching evolution means teaching fact. Teaching creationism is not. There is no controversy between evolution and creationism except in the political arena, and that has no place in biology class.
The facts of what? Your bias and preconceived notions?
Considering how the growing global population is stealing low cost to produce resources from the yet unborn, the rule should be "Eat your neighbor - show love for the yet un born."...
Right on target. See post 2615 for proof.
Certainly, there are kind and compassionate religious people all over the world, but my point in posting that article was in direct response to Mazulu -- to dispel his preconceived notions about atheism and non-religious people.
Ah, so you don't think people should have the right to express and practice their religious beliefs? You want to live in a theocracy, instead, and find yourself persecuted for your beliefs? How very strange.
Are you that much of an idiot, Jan? Religion is the belief in a god. Do try and get yourself a dictionary.
Each religion has their own description, Jan. If you actually read any other scriptures other than the one you've been indoctrinated to believe, you would know that.
Those who have been indoctrinated become believers, Jan, like yourself.
And, you are a complete idiot. Feel better, now?
LOL. Sure, we find that all kinds of people try to get us to do things inherently wrong, unethical and immoral every day. But then, those are the kinds of people we have chosen to associate with, well... at least, those are the kinds Mazulu evidently associates. We can therefore assume what kind of definition Mazulu must have for "wisdom, good judgment and compassion"
Yes, the presentation of reality to the deluded must be a very negative experience for them, their fantasies disintegrating around them.
Those very same people will not exhibit loving, will not turn the other cheek and will be quite hostile. In other words, your behavior to a tee.
Yes, the Crusades, Inquisitions and Witch Burnings were all about the behavior of tolerant Christians.
Islam is going through the very same thing Christianity went through some centuries ago, it too will become as docile and irrelevant as Christianity.
I think it's important to stay open to new ideas, possibilities, etc. But, as far as our ongoing dialogue goes, it is starting to mirror the movie, Groundhog Day.
I think it's important to stay open to new ideas, possibilities, etc. But, as far as our ongoing dialogue goes, it is starting to mirror the movie, Groundhog Day.
Only because you avoid important questions.
You seem to have this fixed view of God, faith, religion, theism, and so on, but are not prepared to give explanation of them, or answer questions that would bring these ideas out in the open.
Are you afraid that the decision you made will be proven to be wrong?
Or are you satisfied with your present mindset because it suits your relationship with your fiance and think any leanings toward a theistic worldview may jeopodize it?
I don't know, but for some reason you are and have been avoiding my questions for a long time.
jan.
Honestly, I've tried to reply to your questions, as they have come up throughout the thread. If you have any questions you feel I have not yet answered, please list them, and I will reply in one post. (the important questions, that is, that you feel I'm ''avoiding.'')
I hold an agnostic view, which should be self explanatory by its definition. In a nutshell, I can't say God exists or does not. It's unknowable, to me.
No. (I'm not afraid) Of course, I could be wrong. To me, there is much we don't know about our universe, and certainly I can only just offer my opinions, just like you or anyone else has in this thread.
His atheistic view hasn't played a part in my own unsavory feelings about religion, and my agnostic view.
You sometimes don't answer my questions as well, Jan, but I don't leap to a conclusion that you are ''avoiding'' them. I'm not avoiding your questions, as I mention above -- please post them again, (the ones you feel are important) and I will do my best to answer them, if you are still interested in the answers, that is.
Given the bias of that study, it's not clear how it could dispel anyone's doubts ...
In all seriousness...you should be the mod of this section. You are fair and balanced, I'd say.