Antivax: Behind the Stupid (and Other Notes)

billvon said:
No. One adult who does not get vaccinated is a risk. An anti-vaxxer who convinces ten of her friends to not vaccinate their children is twenty times worse (assuming an average of two kids per household.)

The harm is caused by unvaccinated people; anti-vaxxers create a lot of them.
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But there's way more unvaccinated adults than there are antivaxxers. They are definitely a bigger cause of illness then. It's simple logic. Why don't you start an education campaign for adult vaccinations instead of whining about antivaxxers. That's the bigger problem. Oh wait. It's more convenient to demonize minorities. I forgot about that. Who's next? The 12 million illegal immigrants who can't afford healthcare?
 
Magical Realist said:
But there's way more unvaccinated adults than there are antivaxxers. They are definitely a bigger cause of illness then. It's simple logic. Why don't you start an education campaign for adult vaccinations instead of whining about antivaxxers.
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I do campaign for adult vaccinations. I (and my family, and most of my friends) are up to date on their vaccinations.

How about yourself? Is whining all you do?
 
Magical Realist said:
I'm not whining about anything. You're ones whining about antivaxxers, not me.
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You've been bitching and whining about unvaccinated adults for the past page or so.

How about you? Are you up to date with all your vaccinations? Is your family? Do you campaign to ensure that adults remain vaccinated, or is it all whine?
 
billvon said:
You've been bitching and whining about unvaccinated adults for the past page or so.

How about you? Are you up to date with all your vaccinations? Is your family? Do you campaign to ensure that adults remain vaccinated, or is it all whine?
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LOL! I haven't bitched about them at all. I simply demonstrated their existence. Does that bother you? Does it distract from your urgent witch hunt of "stupid" "murderous" antivaxxers? God knowz we wouldn't want to obstruct THAT agenda.
 
Magical Realist said:
LOL! I haven't bitched about them at all.
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So when other people talk about anti-vaxxers, they are whining and witch-hunting.
When you talk about adults who don't get vaccinated, you are just "demonstrating their existence."

So how about you? Are you up to date with all your vaccinations? Is your family? Do you campaign to ensure that adults remain vaccinated, or is it all whine?
 
billvon said:
So when other people talk about anti-vaxxers, they are whining and witch-hunting.
When you talk about adults who don't get vaccinated, you are just "demonstrating their existence."

So how about you? Are you up to date with all your vaccinations? Is your family? Do you campaign to ensure that adults remain vaccinated, or is it all whine?
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LOL! I couldn't be whining about unvaccinated adults since I'm one of them. I'm not whining about anybody. People get sick and they go to the doctor. Then they stay home till they get well again. So what? I don't demonize people for being sick.
 
Magical Realist said:
LOL! I couldn't be whining about unvaccinated adults since I'm one of them.
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Ah. Then from your own claim, you are putting others at risk.

From the link you posted:
“Vaccination coverage levels among adults are low,” the CDC researchers wrote. “Improvement in adult vaccination is needed to reduce the health consequences of vaccine-preventable diseases among adults and to prevent pertussis morbidity and mortality in infants, who need the protection afforded by the Tdap vaccination during pregnancy recommendation.”

So why do you knowingly put others at risk? Ignorance? Laziness? Selfishness? Misinformation? And why do you whine about it rather than just get vaccinated?
 
billvon said:
Ah. Then from your own claim, you are putting others at risk.

From the link you posted:
“Vaccination coverage levels among adults are low,” the CDC researchers wrote. “Improvement in adult vaccination is needed to reduce the health consequences of vaccine-preventable diseases among adults and to prevent pertussis morbidity and mortality in infants, who need the protection afforded by the Tdap vaccination during pregnancy recommendation.”

So why do you knowingly put others at risk? Ignorance? Laziness? Selfishness? Misinformation? And why do you whine about it rather than just get vaccinated?
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I don't put anyone at risk. I'm not sick and haven't been for many years. Only sick people put others at risk for sickness. Or really, just sick people who don't stay at home to get better. I get my yearly flu shot thru the VA, but that's it. Are you going to whine about me now? Oh how terrible I am. I'm just like those satanic antivaxxers!
 
Magical Realist said:
LOL! Vaccinated children aren't getting sick from anyone. Isn't that the point of vaccinations?
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I mean that unvaccinated adults are spread evenly out through the population, which is protected by herd immunity. Children are more at risk because they are concentrated in groups where anti-vaxxers live, like rich areas of California.
 
spidergoat said:
I mean that unvaccinated adults are spread evenly out through the population, which is protected by herd immunity. Children are more at risk because they are concentrated in groups where anti-vaxxers live, like rich areas of California.
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40% to 80% of adults aren't vaccinated. I doubt anyone is protected from that. At least when these people get sick and keep going out among other people. Have you ever been near people who cough alot in public?
 
billvon said:
So it's ignorance.

Thanks for the excellent, real world example of how an anti-vaxxer thinks.
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LOL! Bingo. Let's demonize and whine about unvaccinated adults now! Hey, weren't you trying to accuse me of that earlier? Whining about unvaccinated adults?
 
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Magical Realist said:
LOL! Bingo. Let's demonize and whine about unvaccinated adults now!
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So when you talk about a topic, you are "simply demonstrating its existence."
When others talk about a topic, they are "demonizing and whining."

You're consistent, at least. And again, thanks for the example of the sort of ignorance that can lead to anti-vaxxing.
 
billvon said:
So when you talk about a topic, you are "simply demonstrating its existence."
When others talk about a topic, they are "demonizing and whining."
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About unvaccinated adults Billvon claims: "So it's ignorance."

You're consistent, at least. And again, thanks for the example of the sort of ignorance that can lead to anti-vaxxing.
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Double bingo! lol!
 
Magical Realist said:
40% to 80% of adults aren't vaccinated. I doubt anyone is protected from that. At least when these people get sick and keep going out among other people. Have you ever been near people who cough alot in public?
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So, the problem is bad enough without people deliberately undermining the advice of medical professionals.
 
Magical Realist said:
LOL! Bingo. Let's demonize and whine about unvaccinated adults now! Hey, weren't you trying to accuse me of that earlier? Whining about unvaccinated adults?
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We need to clear up a particular point about your (ahem!) "argument":

▸ Are you proposing that unvaccinated = antivax?​

Your rhetoric would seem to require this erroneous equivalence, except that would be extraordinarily stupid since it simply presupposes against arguments on the record that you haven't actually addressed.

Magical Realist said:
Is there a point to that post that doesn't involve 10 scroll downs to read?
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I want to know if there was a point to #55↑.

Was there something about my inquiry that was somehow confusing?

You provide topically relevant information with some added boldface, but tell us nothing about why you're showing us this information. Is there a point to that post? This should not be a confusing question.
 
Tiassa said:
We need to clear up a particular point about your (ahem!) "argument":

▸ Are you proposing that unvaccinated = antivax?​

Your rhetoric would seem to require this erroneous equivalence, except that would be extraordinarily stupid since it simply presupposes against arguments on the record that you haven't actually addressed.



I want to know if there was a point to #55↑.

Was there something about my inquiry that was somehow confusing?

You provide topically relevant information with some added boldface, but tell us nothing about why you're showing us this information. Is there a point to that post? This should not be a confusing question.
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Figure it out. You're not THAT dense...
 
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