There may be some truth to that. I would feel threatened if a child molester moved next door to my house. Hint: Most people do feel uneasy when confronted by sexual perversion. Let's think about that for a moment. It's not as if homosexuality is a common sport with all of us. Are you really surprised by this normal human reaction to homosexuality...revulsion? I mean, would you feel comfortable sitting next to a child molester? Also, if we are going to place grace on homosexuality simply because it's their way (queer), then why not give those thugs some credit for their normal compulsions. Hey, hate is as stong an emotion as love. They both involve passion, don't they. It could just be that homosexuality creates fear in these heterosexual youngsters. And since we are being so very concerned about the few students who are homosexual, let's take the time to think of those students who are not queer.[/i] Maybe they don't like queers. Maybe those homosexual students cause anxiety. I understand that it would be easier if they all just conformed to your way of thinking, but that just doesn't sound fair to me.
To start from the bottom of this paragraph and work up, Bowser.
* It's not "my" way of thinking; when I was a child, I was taught by parents, teachers, preachers, and all manner of half-witted, well-intentioned fools what right and wrong is. And then one day I woke up and realized that whatever right and wrong is, it seems that everyone wants "right" to be exactly what they believed. So I looked at the underlying philosophy; that is, I looked at what it was we aspired to with our standards, and then tried applying that result equally throughout the society I observe. It seems to me that it's not so much "my" way of thinking, but the underlying freedom that we all aspire to. Can't help it much if you're jealous of another person possibly being your entitled equal in society, but I will try to stop you from codifying them as your inferior based solely on your own prejudices.
* Right, maybe those homosexual students "cause" anxiety because we are taught from cradle to the grave to distrust anything we perceive as different. Comparative differentiation is nothing new in humanity; in fact, I'm of the opinion that such forms of classism and social stratification are what powerful religious leaders like Christ and Muhammed worked to defeat.
* Sexual identity politics wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the fact that in Western culture, we have always "naturally" excluded people for being homosexual. Well, everyone but the priests. So I'll come to terms with you on your plea for extra-special attention for the heterosexual kids just as soon as you show me a public school that is so prejudicially gay that your heterosexual kids are killing themselves because there's no justice to fill in for the repeated beatings, tongue-lashings, and sundry cruelties of their daily lives.
* Hate may be as strong as love, but death is as strong as life, and black is as strong as white. It's nice that you've clarified which side you endorse, though.
* As to the first part of it, your continued attempts to morally equate homosexual intercourse to child molestation is beyond pathetic. I actually would have a better evidentiary case to establish religiously faithful people of several faiths as willful mass murderers.
Now, at this point, what is the school's part in this? (Assuming that the act took place on school grounds.) "Well, Billy, violence is wrong, but you have to look at yourself, carrying on in such an unwholesome, socially irresponsible, detrimental, sinful manner."
Hey, Billy felt threatened by that queer kid. He had to take a swing in defense of his identity. Let's give that kid Billy some sympathy, he's been traumatized by a big bad fag.
So if I'm threatened by the fact that
you exist, I should be able to beat you with all the ferociousness as I should when I catch you robbing my house?
Again, thank you for clarifying where you stand on violence.
"My own father and I still associate, but just barely. About the single most unreasonable thing he ever said to me came after a friend succumbed to the suicidal urge in the midst of methamphetamine addiciton. When he told me that she had it coming to her, simply because she was 14 and on drugs ... well, I'm 27 now and neither one of us are over it."
That's too bad, Tiassa. I suppose he should have accepted drug addiction as a good thing. Maybe even thought of it as natural and normal. Do you think that would have helped?
I won't suggest what your response equals. I would not put such cruel, hateful words in your mouth; but I'll point out the bloody-red stains they leave on your lips.
You'd think that parents actually give a rip what their children might think of them ten, twelve, fifteen years down the line. But in the sense that my father didn't, I see the same in your opinion.
"I would assert that we lose focus when we justify violence against individuals and declare their emotions to be based entirely on their sex drives. No, I don't think we lose focus, actually. I think we smash reality altogether."
Unfortunately, the form of love that we are speaking of, to my understanding, involves sexual contact. It does contradict reality for many of us when applied in such an unfamiliar way. You do have a very valid point about reacting violently to homosexuality. I suppose that if you're going to walk around with your dick hanging out of your fly, someone will take notice, even more so when you're pointing at it.
You're still babbling about the sense that you have better emotional motivations than your neighbor. I'm glad you're so all-seeing into their emotional states. That was more the point.
"When your family decides you're not worth their time and thus kicks you out of the home because of your sexuality, the emotional impact one might feel is apparently based solely on their sex drive? Hell, I must be stupid; I had figured it was pretty much the standard human reaction to being betrayed by the people who claim to love you."
Hmm, if the world and your family revolved around your sexuality, you might have a right to feel betrayed. Where's your shame in dictating the conditions of love for those around you?
Well, as you've pointed out, the stability of
your family
will be undermined if your child chooses a sexuality different from your preference.
As to
dictating the conditions of love ... I think you've said quite enough. I didn't know that family love came at a price. Or did you actually go out of your way to start a family to have people to rule over? Dictate the conditions of love ...
"That's the problem with Moralism. It accepts greater immorality in its quest to achieve a specific moral purpose. Your rhetoric only works toward justifying the stupid people who think someone's sexuality is justification for physical violence."
Well, we shouldn't speak our minds then. Might I add that your rhetoric only works towards justification of sexual perversion, and it supports the stupid people who think the male and female differences are of no purpose.
I'll have to trust that this makes sense in your own mind.
"So I might agree with you that yes, had we someone there to encourage that homosexuality ... more specifically, had we someone there to affirm the difficult notion that what other people are doing to you is wrong. But they're gay, right, and not entitled to human dignity?"
Yeppers, there must be some dignity lost when one gent is blowing another gent, but that's just me. What about two teen boys holding hands and kissing in the hallway at school. Me and my girlfriends would pet during break. Do we want to deny that same pleasure to young homosexuals, but that might cause a reaction from the other students. We better change their thinking.
So, your only definition of dignity is that Victorian "sight-of-the-neighbors" standard where the only reason to behave "appropriately" is to show everyone else it's appropriate? I'm talking about
human dignity; you know, the dignity we allow other people simply because they're human beings? Oh, of course you don't ....
Most of us don't like it; but we don't want to limit the decisions of others. Unfortunately, this has become a public issue--forced into the light by activist...not just the OCA.
I forget now if I've asked you to demonstrate when homosexuality was a politically divisive issue in Oregon schools prior to Mabon's assault on the First Amendment in 1990. However, I still am of the opinion that this is about library books and unadulterated Christian hate. You're going to show me how this has become a public issue. And about the time you establish that in Oregon, I might invite you to consider US History, as well.
You tell me; where will people place more concern: The security of their children or the dignity of homosexuals? Where does our love begin and end with this issue?
Well, as long as people such as Mabon and yourself continue to espouse that homosexual equals necrophiliac-bestial-child molester, people will have the difficult task of choosing. However, when you choose to come down from the hills and join civilized society as opposed to haranguing it from afar, you might find that people are weary of pseudo-Christian hatemongers asking them to vote on religion.
"Hint: get used to it. Human dignity does not bow to narrow religious standards."
But it bows for a queer penis!? Is that what you are telling me?
That sounds like the dumbassed censorship groups from the 1980's who wondered why freedom of speech "bowed" to Ozzy Osbourne's tongue.
"Now, does it make a difference if it was heterosexual or homosexual?"
Either or...I don't think I would give it much thought other than my own resolve. Child rape is some pretty gross shit. But you have brought a new thought to mind. Is there a diferrence between messing with a kid's body and messing with a kid's mind (in sexual terms, that is)? When you're exposing a kid to homosexual ideas, are you not raping children of their innocence? Do you see harm in that savage act, Tiassa?
Short answer,
no.
When I took
Anthropology--Culture & Human Sexuality at the University of Oregon, I read an essay in which a feminist author asserted rape among flies. Simply, a weaker fly, in search of a mate, will attack a stronger fly in order to attract the scent of food; deceiving the female, some weaker male flies managed to reproduce this way. Hence, the author's declaration of the social crime of rape.
You have made a slightly less grounded assertion.
I might make the same assertion about teaching a child to kill an animal for sport. I might make the same assertion about racism. I might make the same assertion about our American tendency to shield children with post-Victorian standards of prudism that have nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with the appearance of propriety.
I might make the same assertion about any idea which I find inappropriate.
Look at DARE ... best efforts actually made kids
more likely to take drugs; would you say we've raped them? I wouldn't. There's a lot of things I'd call it, but rape ain't one of 'em.
thanx,
Tiassa
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Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.--Denis Diderot
