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when i was a young kid, say 10-14 i was so in love with america that i udes to sometimes speak in a americany accet to strangers when i went to a big city here to make em think i was one
i loved all the skycrapers, and even the flyovers over overs....all the neon lit cities, the big cars....EVERYTHING
begged my mum to tak me to disneyworld. and read all those supermen fantastic four
spiderman etc comics
then...when i went to live in London at 15 i got turned onto LSd and had my eyes opened about how wonderful Nature is....THEn as the years went i see now what a fukup is america. the land of the FAT, the greedy, the most ignorant ruddy race of people ever to hit the planet....however, i do LOVe the music that came from there....from the white's slaves, Blues, Jazz, Rock, Hip Hop....love the scenary...the vastness of the place. but i worry what BushCo is gonna further do to make a shithole of it all
i loved all the skycrapers, and even the flyovers over overs....all the neon lit cities, the big cars....EVERYTHING
begged my mum to tak me to disneyworld. and read all those supermen fantastic four
spiderman etc comics
then...when i went to live in London at 15 i got turned onto LSd and had my eyes opened about how wonderful Nature is....THEn as the years went i see now what a fukup is america. the land of the FAT, the greedy, the most ignorant ruddy race of people ever to hit the planet....however, i do LOVe the music that came from there....from the white's slaves, Blues, Jazz, Rock, Hip Hop....love the scenary...the vastness of the place. but i worry what BushCo is gonna further do to make a shithole of it all
That does not infringe political freedom. The act is necessary since we're at war. Other countries take away some civil liberties (concerning privacy) when at war, too. Nothing new. /Yawn. What does the Patriot Act have to do with protesters?
Besides, what do you propose we do instead? No gov't abuses so that citizens can live in rosy warm sleezy mush? Not fun.
Ah so you admit there is political freedom here. Good good. Note that we are a police state by choice. Majority voted for Bush; says enough. How are we not politically free to vote for whomever we want and say whatever we want about our politics? Civil freedom isn't limited for a great majority. True, some Arabs are suspected; but not all Arabs, only some few (dozens?). The rest of America lives happy. How is our civil freedom "sooo" limited?
It is SO VERy easy to not let it bother you that some people with brown skin are carted off and encaged without any LEGAL justification. and then TORTURED
what kind of people have you become that now you take this in your stride?...and didn't someone yawn?....would you want it to happen to YOU? really think about thiswould you want it to happen to your son? your friend? your dad?
so WHy are you accepting it?
for what. FREEDOM? for who?
what kind of people have you become that now you take this in your stride?...and didn't someone yawn?....would you want it to happen to YOU? really think about thiswould you want it to happen to your son? your friend? your dad?
so WHy are you accepting it?
for what. FREEDOM? for who?
We don't live in a police state. Of you think we do, then you don't know what one is.
Karmashock said:
d__am trying to understand the labyrinthe of your mind.....
you already have heard me speak of brown people of another religion being taken OFf the streets, and incarcerated for no reason but some vague suspicion, and tortued, not being allowed ANy legal help....right?................THEN you come with 'we do not live in a police state'.....WHO is 'we'?
Avatar said:Too bad he can't ta... Pardon, he can(!) take a short trip to the past, to USSR.
I present you -> BELORUSSIA!
We even have a platform by the border where tourists too afraid to venture in that country can watch it from above.
Look. IF you cannot manage this hard faced
meritocratic dog eat dog--steppin over the homeless in the stgreets--culture. If you bereak down, or whatever. know what happens? you are called 'mentally ill'
the very SAMe accusation dissenters were lablelled with in Communist Russia
Dear Neildo,
YOU WROTE: Well $400 a week isn't too bad. That's around $10 an hour after taxes. Yeah, it's not super wonderful, but that's what most jobs pay anyways.
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Who are you talking about that get's paid $400? All the seasonal farm slaves I know get paid scrap. Most get paid scrap commission.
Even if they are paid $400, is that a good deal?
Which school of though are you coming from?
Survival of the Fittest: We should give athlete/entertainer stars all of the money/acclaim because they worked hard to get where they are. Their supply is low, and therefore, deserve higher pay. Their function in society is to bring us a false sense of pleasure by distracting us from the stresses of our meaningless lives.
Responsibility of the Fittest: We give laborers/farmers all of the money/acclaim because their jobs are harsher, more dangerous, and unappealing. Furthermore, their job serves a very important function in preserving and maintaining our lives and environment.
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YOU WROTE: "Actually waiters and bartenders get paid so low because of the money they make it tips. Some places offer a nice hourly wage but you have to share the tips with the company, or you get paid below minimum wage but you get to keep all your tips. Keeping the tips is more profitable. Certain jobs like that is where it's better to have a job that offers more hours per day than dollars per hour as you'll make more money that way."
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Actually, absolutely
WRONG!!:
Here's the real reason again why waiters get paid below minimum wage:
YOU WROTE: "Yeah right, the Patriot Act does nothing of the sort. It helps our country!"
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How does a complete joke help anybody in any way?
Does the the "patriot" act have any other basis than to filter out those who are not "patriots"?
Were not the founding fathers' intentions to create a country where people can be free from being forced into a particular belief?
Were not these intentions rooted in their desperate experience with the monarchy?
Will forcing others to be more patriotic make anybody with any intelligence admire such a country that imposes people to be patriotic?
YOU WROTE: Well $400 a week isn't too bad. That's around $10 an hour after taxes. Yeah, it's not super wonderful, but that's what most jobs pay anyways.
====================
Who are you talking about that get's paid $400? All the seasonal farm slaves I know get paid scrap. Most get paid scrap commission.
Even if they are paid $400, is that a good deal?
Which school of though are you coming from?
Survival of the Fittest: We should give athlete/entertainer stars all of the money/acclaim because they worked hard to get where they are. Their supply is low, and therefore, deserve higher pay. Their function in society is to bring us a false sense of pleasure by distracting us from the stresses of our meaningless lives.
Responsibility of the Fittest: We give laborers/farmers all of the money/acclaim because their jobs are harsher, more dangerous, and unappealing. Furthermore, their job serves a very important function in preserving and maintaining our lives and environment.
====================
YOU WROTE: "Actually waiters and bartenders get paid so low because of the money they make it tips. Some places offer a nice hourly wage but you have to share the tips with the company, or you get paid below minimum wage but you get to keep all your tips. Keeping the tips is more profitable. Certain jobs like that is where it's better to have a job that offers more hours per day than dollars per hour as you'll make more money that way."
====================
Actually, absolutely
WRONG!!:
Here's the real reason again why waiters get paid below minimum wage:
====================cool skill said:
YOU WROTE: "Yeah right, the Patriot Act does nothing of the sort. It helps our country!"
====================
How does a complete joke help anybody in any way?
Does the the "patriot" act have any other basis than to filter out those who are not "patriots"?
Were not the founding fathers' intentions to create a country where people can be free from being forced into a particular belief?
Were not these intentions rooted in their desperate experience with the monarchy?
Will forcing others to be more patriotic make anybody with any intelligence admire such a country that imposes people to be patriotic?
Dear Karmashock,
YOU WROTE: "those are jobs that they're taking from kids of all people. There was a time not long ago when kids mowed the lawn and served you burgers... So I don't see why they can't do it again... and if anything it's better for kids to start out with humble jobs like that."
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You are saying that American kids are losing jobs to immigrants that live in America.
Is that not the way capitalism works? The job goes to the person that will do it for the least correct?
What jobs are they losing? Mowing lawns and serving burgers?
Does it cause America such distress if there is nobody to mow your lawn or serve you a burger?
What if there is somebody to do it, and that somebody is an immigrant?
If the kid cannot compete or is less fit, than the kid does not get the lawn mowing job. The kid must find something else. Possibly something more difficult with less payy. That's how survival of the fittest works. That's how capitalism works.
Now that all these immigrants are taking all the not-so-great jobs because they have proven themselves more fit to do so, the kids must take worse-than-not-so-great jobs.
Unless of course you believe the immigrants have taken those both forms of jobs, and the kid that is less fit is stuck with no job.
I cannot conceive how that is possible.
As I said before:
YOU WROTE: "those are jobs that they're taking from kids of all people. There was a time not long ago when kids mowed the lawn and served you burgers... So I don't see why they can't do it again... and if anything it's better for kids to start out with humble jobs like that."
====================
You are saying that American kids are losing jobs to immigrants that live in America.
Is that not the way capitalism works? The job goes to the person that will do it for the least correct?
What jobs are they losing? Mowing lawns and serving burgers?
Does it cause America such distress if there is nobody to mow your lawn or serve you a burger?
What if there is somebody to do it, and that somebody is an immigrant?
If the kid cannot compete or is less fit, than the kid does not get the lawn mowing job. The kid must find something else. Possibly something more difficult with less payy. That's how survival of the fittest works. That's how capitalism works.
Now that all these immigrants are taking all the not-so-great jobs because they have proven themselves more fit to do so, the kids must take worse-than-not-so-great jobs.
Unless of course you believe the immigrants have taken those both forms of jobs, and the kid that is less fit is stuck with no job.
I cannot conceive how that is possible.
As I said before:
cool skill said:
"The act is necessary since we're at war."
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You probably believe the war is necessary too correct?
You beleive we are at war because we the most powerful country on the planet are victims of terorrism, and that the fact that we are at war is not because we are the terrorists correct?
As for America being a police state, there are different degrees of being a police state. America may not be fully there yet, but it is leaning down that path. Away from the ideals and freedoms of it's forefathers', and towards what we originally fought to free ourselves from.
America no longer teaches these ideals. America now teaches us how to be collectively organized in a mob mentallity.
If a proverbial Rosa Parks were to sit in the front of a proverbial bus today, the consequences would not be the same.
In those day, she broke a racist law that claimed only a particular race can sit at the front of the bus. This incident sparked a movement that changed laws. Laws that discriminate based on race were replaced with laws that prohibit discrimination.
If we break unjust laws today, I fear that without a great leader such as Dr. MLK jr. (who was arrested himself a number of times), we would not be able to continue the momentum of positive change, and revert back to the previous conditioning.
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You probably believe the war is necessary too correct?
You beleive we are at war because we the most powerful country on the planet are victims of terorrism, and that the fact that we are at war is not because we are the terrorists correct?
As for America being a police state, there are different degrees of being a police state. America may not be fully there yet, but it is leaning down that path. Away from the ideals and freedoms of it's forefathers', and towards what we originally fought to free ourselves from.
America no longer teaches these ideals. America now teaches us how to be collectively organized in a mob mentallity.
If a proverbial Rosa Parks were to sit in the front of a proverbial bus today, the consequences would not be the same.
In those day, she broke a racist law that claimed only a particular race can sit at the front of the bus. This incident sparked a movement that changed laws. Laws that discriminate based on race were replaced with laws that prohibit discrimination.
If we break unjust laws today, I fear that without a great leader such as Dr. MLK jr. (who was arrested himself a number of times), we would not be able to continue the momentum of positive change, and revert back to the previous conditioning.
Puzzle no longer, I am saying that we are not a police state because we still have very powerful rights... civil rights and civil liberties are both strong.duendy said:
The 'brown people' are, as far as I've seen, not even citizens and therefore not afforded the same level of protection. Furthermore, we have had instances in our past where such things were common to a specific group of people in the society. At no point was this considered a police state when that happened.
At worst, you can say we are biased against some races or ethnic groups, but that doesn't make us a police state. Furthermore, just cause can be shown in these instances... at least typically.
I'm not saying I'm proud of this stuff... but we are at war.