All Photons Move at 300,000km/s.... But Don't?

[RajeshTrivedi]

No I certainly did not understand his genius maths, and neither did you.
And that's why I had the funny face after my comment...one of these.

Ever heard of sarcasm...or facetiousness Rajesh?.
Obviously anything with mass, cannot be accelerated to "c".....that goes without saying.

Chameleon !! No doubt !!

How nicely you change track, Paddoboy.

It is impossible for anyone to win you on argument, because you are a man who can leave anyone red faced with your dishonesty. You are not here for science, you are not at all learning. I can say with full confidence that if Origin or Brucep honestly write about you, then they will also be declared what not by you.....You are a dishonest troll, not worthy of any science dialogue. Except me every poster whom you opposed has given up on you....I am propelled by a desire to correct you, but I am failing.

 

[paddoboy]

How nicely you change track, Paddoboy.

No, the funny face is certainly there, and just after the equally funny comment by Kittamaru........

Ow wow... that hurt my head lol! Good grief, I'm remembering now why I didn't pursue a math degree!

It is impossible for anyone to win you on argument, because you are a man who can leave anyone red faced with your dishonesty. You are not here for science, you are not at all learning. I can say with full confidence that if Origin or Brucep honestly write about you, then they will also be declared what not by you.....You are a dishonest troll, not worthy of any science dialogue. Except me every poster whom you opposed has given up on you....I am propelled by a desire to correct you, but I am failing.

What your delusions lead you to believe is your problem. Just as it is your problem that your threads are moved to the fringe sections. This has you in near rabid emotional ranting mode, and the fact that you see the need to call me a troll and dishonest and not worthy of any science dialogue is an example of you trying to turn the tables in vain.
You forget the evidence is here for all to see in at least 8 or 9 threads.
Evidence that shows your delusions to the extreme in still claiming BNS after it was totally demolished by three or four Professors, as well as everyone that took part in those threads, bar one Sylwester.
My honesty and everything else is here for all to and so are yours. You do not decide what I am Rajesh, your peers on this forum will, just as they will on your own questionable character.
The thing here is that most chose to leave the bull headed trolls like yourself to your own devices.
I will keep on keeping on though to keep you as honest as is humanly possible.

 

[RajeshTrivedi]

I don't believe it is logical to say photons are not moving...How otherwise is the photo electric effect produced.
From our frame of reference they are certainly moving, but if one could put himself in the Photon's frame of reference, things would look different.

This is also funny face comment ?

This proves that you were talking about Photon's Frame seriously, not behind those smileys to test the water...

Your dishonesty continues !

What does Photo Electric Effect got to do with motion of Photon ? As some one said, this question is rhetorical because you know no science but still you can respond...


PS: To All, pl look for smileys on Paddoboy's posts, they are more meaningful then the content of his posts.

 

[paddoboy]

Except me every poster whom you opposed has given up on you....I am propelled by a desire to correct you, but I am failing.

Just to correct another gross misconception of yours.
The only posters I oppose with "vigour" are the cranks, alternative nuts and those that believe they are going to come to a science forum and rewrite 20th/21st century cosmology.
As is the nature with these trolls, [yourself, Magic Realist, jcc, constant theoriest, chinglu Frasight, Sylwester, etc] they claim with certainty that they know better than the accepted established science and models, and yet see the need to bypass proper peer review and instead put their crap on forums such as this as "gospel"
I oppose those because that's not how science progresses..that's not how new theories and new models evolve or are modified.
But inflated egos and delusions of grandeur blind them to all reality, other than their own delusional superiority.
I will continue to question and probe these mostly unscientific claims to the best of my ability.

 

[paddoboy]

This is also funny face comment ?

This proves that you were talking about Photon's Frame seriously, not behind those smileys to test the water...

Yes your interpretation is funny. And your idea of "proof"is even funnier.
But we'll let our peers decide, shall we?
"but if one could put himself in the Photon's frame of reference, things would look different".

Your dishonesty continues !

Except it is you going on a myriad of evidence that is dishonest.
Again, we'll both stand and/or fall on the judgement of our peers, won't we?

What does Photo Electric Effect got to do with motion of Photon ? As some one said, this question is rhetorical because you know no science but still you can respond...

Someone said that? Sure?
Plus the question has been answered. You are sounding like jcc.

PS: To All, pl look for smileys on Paddoboy's posts, they are more meaningful then the content of his posts.

Still pleading for backup and support? Sylwester maybe along...or jcc may offer you comfort....OH, and here's another smiley

 

[RajeshTrivedi]

Paddoboy,
I provided you the list of people who have given up on you, you just added few more names to that...

Paddoboy,

This is how you have been personal with almost all the guys....

I am a card (joker),
OnlyMe lost his credibility,
Sylvester is fringie,
Danshaven is crank,
Q-reeus is what not,
Scemelzer is pseudoscience troll,
James R is behind 8 Balls..
River is troll
Wellwisher is nonsense.
(The list may continue, if I stretch my memory a bit more)

 

[RajeshTrivedi]

Yes your interpretation is funny. And your idea of "proof"is even funnier.
But we'll let our peers decide, shall we?
"but if one could put himself in the Photon's frame of reference, things would look different".

Except it is you going on a myriad of evidence that is dishonest.
Again, we'll both stand and/or fall on the judgement of our peers, won't we?

Someone said that? Sure?
Plus the question has been answered. You are sounding like jcc.

Still pleading for backup and support? Sylwester maybe along...or jcc may offer you comfort....OH, and here's another smiley

Now you are pleading or begging peers to judge........pretty spineless.

At least show some character strength to own up, you are abandoning whatever you said, that is dishonesty. If people become so dishonest at 70+, then I do not want to live that long or you are just a bad example.

 

[RajeshTrivedi]

Plus the question has been answered. You are sounding like jcc.

Another example of your dishonesty ?

Show me the link where the question on Photo Electric Effect has been answered. It cannot be answered because there is no link between motion of photon and Photo Electric Effect...It is just your lack of understanding, idiotic babbling.

 

[paddoboy]

Now you are pleading or begging peers to judge........pretty spineless.

Not at all My Son. Just that when push comes to shove our peers on this forum will be the judge.
Or are you to high and mighty to realise that you have peers?

At least show some character strength to own up, you are abandoning whatever you said, that is dishonesty. If people become so dishonest at 70+, then I do not want to live that long or you are just a bad example.

:shrug:
This emotional diatribe will not do you any good Rajesh.
And do you not see that the emotive tones of your post are not only detracting from what little credibility you have, but also its not saying too much about your character.

 

[paddoboy]

Another example of your dishonesty ?

Show me the link where the question on Photo Electric Effect has been answered. It cannot be answered because there is no link between motion of photon and Photo Electric Effect...It is just your lack of understanding, idiotic babbling.

Photons are certainly on the move and of course the photoelectric effect showed that the wave nature of light was not sufficient.
Or are you saying a photon is at rest?
Certainly far more certain than those "Rajesh ideals" of a BNS, compulsory gravitational collapse when EH is reached, and gravity eventually overcoming all other forces that you hold onto so dearly.
And again Rajesh, your continued insults are doing nothing for your character or your credibility. You need to do better....seriously!

 

[RajeshTrivedi]

Not at all My Son. Just that when push comes to shove our peers on this forum will be the judge.
Or are you to high and mighty to realise that you have peers?

:shrug:
This emotional diatribe will not do you any good Rajesh.
And do you not see that the emotive tones of your post are not only detracting from what little credibility you have, but also its not saying too much about your character.

What is my objective of this communication with you ?

To establish that you are a dishonest nuisance character ?

That is already done, isn't it ?

So, I put a break here !!

Bye old man, take care of your joints at this age ?

 

[paddoboy]

Bye old man, take care of your joints at this age ?

:shrug: Such character! such credibility! such childish carryings on!
Like I said before rajesh, I'm there, you have yet to get there!
And "touch wood"the way my health is at present, and results of annual tests etc, I'll be around at 2044!
As long as I see man step foot on Mars and maybe evidence of ETL and a QGT to throw back in your face I'll die a happy man.
Hope you do as well!

 

[paddoboy]

What is my objective of this communication with you ?

To keep your ego inflated?
To re-enforce your total delusions?
Because you are bull-headed?
Certainly not to learn anything!

 

[Kristoffer]

Rajesh, regarding that list of people you posted for paddo... Yeah, well, most of them (including you) are cranks. Some are not, but the majority of them are.

 

[Kittamaru]

Paddoboy,
I provided you the list of people who have given up on you, you just added few more names to that...

With few exceptions, I doubt ANY of the science-minded folk on this forum would shed a tear if several of the members listed there left and never came back... mostly because it would mean less time spent refuting the same bullshit pseudoscience over and over again.

 

[sweetpea]

With few exceptions, I doubt ANY of the science-minded folk on this forum would shed a tear if several of the members listed there left and never came back... mostly because it would mean less time spent refuting the same bullshit pseudoscience over and over again.

Kitty I'm not shooting at you,but you reminded me there of something...
I looked up the registered 'owner' of this site and also found there that this site "Sciforums.com" is worth something like $96 or was it $69 a day because of advertising, and as you know that's based on hit count.
So, that explains to me why all members are welcome here and why JamesR once said...something like there's more "shit" on this site than other 'science' sites.
Ain't got the time ( can't be arsed) to going looking for that JamesR quote.
Hits count, science here is on the back seat. The registered 'owner' also has three other sites. This site is just part of an investment package and doesn't give a hoot about science, otherwise you mods would have acted long ago over the trolls...why don't you if you think people keep repeating things?

 

[paddoboy]

Rajesh, regarding that list of people you posted for paddo... Yeah, well, most of them (including you) are cranks. Some are not, but the majority of them are.

Besides the obvious truth in the fact that you have raised, there is also other shall we say misinterpreted phrases and remarks he has salvaged and taken out of context.

The thing is while we have sections for alternative models, Rajesh has never ever started any thread in that section. He has started all his weird ideas and scenarios in the sciences section, presumably to maintain an air of credibility, and most have since been moved to the correct alternative sections.
And he calls me dishonest.
In essence, he expects a free hand to post and do what he likes. Guess what though?

 

[BrianHarwarespecialist]

Yup, but the relevant point, in the context of your earlier remarks, is that if this is so then there is no need to invoke communication between physically separated entities and the problem of supposedly instantaneous communication disappears.

This is correct but there is more to the picture, since the photons only exhibit this behaviour after they become entangled, this fact implies that the process of entanglement somehow changes the anatomy of the of the interacting waves. It does not seem to matter if light is exhibiting wave or particle representations of it self, the effects of entanglement will still be apparent. In the case of a wave representation it makes it easier to see how the actual photons are connected, but there is one really important thing bieng overlooked the waves themselves is actually traveling faster than c already, and the slowest speed in a vacuum is c. That is why there is infinite length contraction all length and space has already disappeared for a photon from its first instance of existing. So that logically means all photons and waves appearing after can never catch up to the prime wave. Then the prime wave have already evolved into something else perhaps particles held together with the framework of space time. The evidence that the waves are already traveling faster than c is demonstrated by light we see experiencing a red shift as the rest of space moves further out into the cosmos in my opinion this aligns perfectly with SR. You see I believe the light waves themselves are creating the space time fabric once they transcend speed of c they are no longer the waves that we are capable of observing because they have already moved passed that stage in their evolution "in time" that we would have been able to observed them in thier original form as photons or how I would describe it as "Prime waves". This may sound really bizzar to most here but you see since at the perspective of the speed of c no time passes and distance = 0 so that logicaly says that the EMF has transcend time and space from its first instance of existing so technically a photon or light wave have not experienced time only the particles of mass that came after the waves. You see I assume that because the speed of c was not actually transcended but became space and time as well as all particles of mass and matter, this is the natural consequence of the speed of c. All of the extra energy the light waves produce after it runs out of space to move has to go some where, so you know where it goes it evolves into mass and matter particles contained in the fabric of space time also creating the consequence of gravity. So just because TOA = 0 Further evidence supporting Einstein's light speed barrier speed of c, using light cones to show that the speed c was the upper bound speed limit of anything moving in space. Where was that light energy going there is no more space for it to go anywhere but it does go some where it fills up in the fabric of "space time" creating a new medium "creation of time and space," the framework for matter and eventually conscious entities. This is what I call the evolution of waves into matter concluding as conscious realization.

Prime waves created the medium of space time but never experience it, only the evolved offsprings of Prime waves, mass then matter and conscious life forms can experience space or time.

 

[arfa brane]

Here is how to "see" that you are indeed moving in one dimension at the speed of light:

All the light you can see "right now", depends on a distance from you to all the objects emitting light in your direction. The time the light takes to reach you means you "must" move at the same speed, in time, so that it reaches you.

Or, if you didn't have this "speed through time" exactly the same as the light, you wouldn't see any.

 

[BrianHarwarespecialist]

That is correct arfa brane, one thing I have to be more clear on Prime waves don't actually transcend the speed of light they move at c, the speed of light is still the fastest speed. But from the perspective of observers that have mass, primes waves, since they have an undefined distance of seperation from matter particles and in a sense are matter particles. From this perspective of matter particles the prime waves will have appeared to transcend the speed of light.