Africans in charge?

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Many people believe that crime is a product of poverty and lack of "advantages."
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All other things being equal, that tends to be true, your selective quoting of statistics notwithstanding.
 
James R said:
Well, that's a turn-up for the books.

Elder is described as "a blend of fiscal conservative and social liberal—with attitude—Elder’s libertarian views have fueled controversy and made him one of the most in-demand radio personalities in the country."
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Yep, So what do you think? Do You agree with Larry Elder's opinion of the African American people?

James R said:
So, D'ster has become a social liberal all of a sudden.
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Whatever you want to say I am, I am right?
James R said:
Tell us, D'ster, what convinced you to change?
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If it is for the better I will make the change.
 
The Blacks that live in America, have the highest standard of living then any other blacks anywhere else in the world.
 
Do You agree with Larry Elder's opinion of the African American people?
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Which opinion in particular?

The Blacks that live in America, have the highest standard of living then any other blacks anywhere else in the world.
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You're generalising again. You can't lump all members of a race into one basket.
 
James R, I find you to be very odd in the fact that a black man named Larry Elder who write this opinion:

Larry Elder said:
To straighten out race relations, whites have to stop condescending to blacks. They have to tell blacks frankly and candidly why they are scared: "We're scared because 45 percent of those arrested for violent crime in this country are black. I'm scared because I've been mugged by a black person. I'm scared because my purse has been taken by a black person. I'm sorry, but when I go into the inner city and interact and go to Raiders games, I've had some negative experiences. That is why I am afraid."
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And you responded to Larry's opinion with this comment:
James R said:
So you admit that your hatred of black people is born out of fear of difference.

You'd be better of getting to know some black people rather than trying to imagine what they are like in the pub with your KKK friends.
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James R said:
Depends what you want to call "black". Australia hasn't got the same kind of problem with race that America has.



Are you referring to indigenous Australians? The term "abbo" is generally considered to be a racist insult.

Many people who identify as aboriginal Australians do not have dark skin, if that's what you're asking. But some do. So do some Australians of European descent, for example.
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Oh, well they use it on Home and Away which is a fairly "family" show, so blame its producers for corrupting me :D

Anyway, my point was....if you haven't spent much time around black people what makes you such an expert on their desires and needs?
 
The Devil Inside said:
wrong, chode.

rac‧ism  /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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The dictionary definition of racism alone should show you that race is perhaps the most inefficient way to judge the qualification of leaders.

But seriously, this is something people truly and seriously believe in. You and I don't have to understand it, it's just who they are at the core.
 
D'ster said:
The first explorers in East Africa wrote that they were shocked by the nudity, paganism, cannibalism, and poverty of the natives. Some claimed Blacks had the nature "of wild animals... most of them go naked... the child does not know his father, and they eat people." Another claimed they had a natural sense of rhythm so that if a Black "were to fall from heaven to earth he would beat time as he goes down." A few even wrote books and made paintings of Africans with over-sized sex organs. Sound familiar? All just a reflection of racism? Maybe so, but these examples are not from 19th Century European colonialists or KKK hate literature. They come from the Muslim Arabs who first entered Black Africa over 1,200 years ago (in the 700s), as detailed in Bernard Lewis's 1990 book, Race and Slavery in the Middle East.

Several hundred years later, European explorers had the same impressions. They wrote that Africans seemed to have a very low intelligence and few words to express complex thoughts. They praised some tribes for making fine pottery, forging iron, carving wooden art, and making musical instruments. But more often, they were shocked by the near nakedness of the people, their poor sanitary habits, simple houses, and small villages. They found no wheels for making pots, grinding corn, or for transport, no farm animals, no writing, no money, and no numbering systems.

The Whites who explored China were just as racist as those who explored Africa, but their descriptions were different from what they and the Arabs had written about Africans. In 1275 Marco Polo arrived in China from his native Italy to open trade with the Mongol Empire. He found that the Chinese had well built roads, bridges, cities connected by canals, census takers, markets, standardized weights and measures, and not only coins, but paper money as well. Even a postal system was in existence. All of these made him marvel when he compared the Chinese to what he saw in Europe and the Middle East. Even though he was an Italian, proud of his people and well aware of the greatness of Ancient Rome, Marco Polo wrote: "Surely there is no more intelligentrace on earth than the Chinese."

Historical research bears out Marco Polo's impressions. As early as 360 B.C., the Chinese used the cross bow and changed the face of warfare. Around 200-100 B.C., the Chinese used written exams to choose people for the civil service, two thousand years before Britain. The Chinese used printing about 800 A.D., some 600 years before Europe saw Gutenberg's first Bible. Paper money was used in China in 1300, but not in Europe until the 19th and 20th centuries. By 1050 Chinese chemists had made gunpowder, hand grenades, fire arrows, and rockets of oil and poison gas. By 1100, factories in China with 40,000 workers were making rockets. Flame throwers, guns, and cannons were used in China by the 13th century, about 100 years before Europe.

The Chinese used the magnetic compass as early as the 1st century. It is not found in European records until 1190. In 1422, seventy years before Columbus's three small ships crossed the Atlantic, the Chinese reached the east coast of Africa. They came in a great fleet of 65 ocean going ships filled with 27,000 soldiers and their horses, and a year's supply of grain, meat, and wine. With their gunpowder weapons, navigation, accurate maps and magnetic compasses, the Chinese could easily have gone around the tip of Africa and "discovered" Europe!

In the last five centuries, the European nations leapfrogged over the Chinese in science and technology. Since 1950, however, Japan has beaten the West in the production of many high-tech products. Other Pacific Rim countries (China, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea) now follow Japan's path. Africa, on the other hand, has fallen further behind. The poor conditions of African countries and Black America have become a concern to many. Much of the optimism of the U.S. Civil Rights movement of the 1960s is gone, along with the high hopes for independent African nations. Trillions of dollars of foreign aid have poured into Africa. Yet African economies have declined since the Europeans left.

Neglect and decay are seen everywhere in Africa and much of the West Indies. International corporations often have to provide their own power, their own water, and their own phones. In the age of computers, fax machines, and the world wide web, getting a dial tone in many African cities is difficult.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
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Arabs are black. I don't know what you think of Bin Laden, but he looks black, not white. Like I said before, there are different races of black, and different tribes. Many black tribes would would say the same thing about other tribes. Most people in Africa spoke completely different languages and had completely seperate cultures.

The cannibal tribes existed, and there were Jewish and Muslim tribes as well. There are Christian tribes too. In general whoever visited Africa during this time would have been confused by the different languages and weird cultures that even other tribes who looked alike were likely to be confused about.

The Christian tribes by the way, existed before there was a such thing as Islam. The Arab genepool likely came about, around the time of Egypt, during the gene mixing periods, as before this period in Egypt there seemed to be no such thing as an Arab in historical records.

So this goes to show, there are different tribes and races among people who look the same or similar.
 
TimeTraveler said:
The dictionary definition of racism alone should show you that race is perhaps the most inefficient way to judge the qualification of leaders.

But seriously, this is something people truly and seriously believe in. You and I don't have to understand it, it's just who they are at the core.
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a sad state of affairs, if you ask me.
 
D'ster said:
Do you really think all groups of people are "civilized" to exactly the same levels?
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If white people are so civilized, why has no white civilization lasted as long as Egypt? Or China?

When it comes to government, you must admit, the tribes were more advanced and we are playing catch up. We are just now using diplomacy, tribes had this all along. We only recently discovered democracy while the tribes had it all along. We only recently discovered socialism, while the tribes had these systems all along.

The tribes did have a form of money, despite your complete ignorance. The tribes did/do have houses, they did have doctors (witch doctors), most musical instruments were invented in Africa, language was invented in Africa, and despite your ignorance the African languages are more complex than English.

Africans actually had a very stable tribal system, the only problem was there were so many tribes that they couldnt build a civilization for the simple reason that the civilization they had (Egypt), fell, and when civilizations fall these things happen. When Rome fell, white people had the dark ages, the black plague, and kings and queens all over the place. White people were at war with white people for hundreds and hundreds of years over money, simply because they never invented a proper system of distribution of resources.

You can talk bad about the tribes, but the tribes werent at war, so they did not need weapons. The tribes were peacefully co-existing. Arabs who you claim visited them, were weirded out, but Arabs were just as weirded out by whites who they also considered uncivilized. Let's not forget the Chinese considered whites to be barbarians as well. Anyone who was from a different tribe during this time would be considered uncivilized and it had little to do with race.

Arabs, as a gene pool, is much like hispanics today. They formed due to race mixing. Race is not the same as tribe. To group all Arabs together as if they all got along is silly. To group all Africans together as if they all got along is silly. Arabs are Africans, just a different tribe from say, the cannibal tribe, or the Christian tribe. The moors, if you know anything about history, were an African tribe that dominated Europe, and they werent Arab.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
http://ri.essortment.com/whoweremoorsi_ogk.htm

Italy, Spain, Portugal, these were some of the countries conquered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#Early_civilizations_and_trade

If you want to learn, take a sociology class.
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
Arabs are not black. Arabs are caucasoids.
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Here is what I think, I think any great person who is black, this guy is going to say was actually caucasoid. In the future, Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson will have been changed to white, in the future Martin Luther King will have been changed to white, and the only blacks will be the gangbangers and prisoners. Am I correct? Oprah will be made into white, along with the Egyptians, and anyone else great.

This is just, remaking history. Which is what is to be expected because almost all of the history books were written in Europe, so you don't get the truth, you get the European perspective only. History is actually just a bunch of stories, it's like the bible, and it's very easy to change the images around so black becomes white or white becomes black etc.

I'm just wondering, how the last centuries history will be reported. And I'm wondering why certain people have such a fetish for erasing blacks out of history all together, as if blacks did not exist at all and just sorta appeared in ghettos, or appeared with spears in the jungles of Africa, to me that is completely ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to believe that considering where they are located, and the types of features on Egyptians, that the Egyptians could be white, and that Arabs are somehow white when they win, but black when they lose.

Seriously, what exactly does white mean? Is it the new code word for winner? Are you going to say Asians are white too?
 
D'ster said:
Many people believe that crime is a product of poverty and lack of "advantages." However, the District of Columbia, which enjoys the highest average annual salaries and is second only to Alaska in personal income per capita, leads the nation in just about every category of crime including murder, robbery, aggravated assault, and vehicle theft. D.C. also has the country's strictest gun control, highest police costs per capita, highest ration of police and correctional officers per citizen, and highest rate of incarceration. Its permanent population is over 80% Black. West Virginia, which has the nation's lowest crime rate, suffers from chronic poverty and has the highest unemployment in the U.S. It also has the fewest police per capita. West Virginia is over 96% White.

100 Facts Black and White.
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Thats because it's fucking washington DC! It's the one place you'd expect a lot of crime going on. Crime of all types, considering you have so many powerful people in one place. I don't think it has anything to do with race, you act as if the mafia cannot commit crimes, you act as if scientists cannot commit crimes, even Larry Elders can commit crime, you could commit a crime.
 
TimeTraveler said:
hahaha ok, how exactly do you define this?

How am I supposed to take this seriously?
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That's what I've always read. The US census even classifies them as such. Of course, you've assumed I mean "white" when I say "caucasoid", which makes you the ignorant one. Pakistanis are caucasoids even though in some cases their skin is darker than "black" people's....although the US census now apparently includes Arabs as white.

One thing is certain though, there is no way that Arabs are negroids.

Timetraveler, are you black?
 
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This is a really stupid thread. Anyway here's what I think..Black people suck and white people suck. Asians do a better job, for God sakes they are better looking. Outsource this thread. Period!
 
G. F. Schleebenhorst said:
What do you think would happen in a hypothetical situation where the government of, say, the USA stepped down and held their hands up and said "We think it's time the african-americans ran things for a change"?
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About the same solution as for other ethnic groups:

Creating the African Superman

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