Aeroplanes In Ancient India

kmguru said:
I think there were two types of Vimanas. One was moving through air and other in deep space. For moving through air, all you have to do is ionize the air and run current through it which can create a force if you have the magnetic field strong enough for the item to move in the air.

For deep space...I do not think any kind of standard propulsion will work no matter how much thrust...you have to punch through space using some unknown mechanism. One of these days, someone will figure out to create either sometype of gravitational or magnetic force.
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According to the Vymannika Shastra, "There are seven sources of power of the vimaana: fire, earth, air, sun, moon, water and sky. The seven kinds of powers are named udgamaa, panjaraa, solar heat absorber, alien force absorber, solar electric dozen, kuntinee, and primary force."

We already know of fire, water (hydro), air, sun (solar) power, but what do you think the earth, moon, and sky power could mean? Could earth mean mechanical, and moon mean magnetic? And what is this primary force it speaks of?
 
Primary forces are strong nuclear (gluon), weak nuclear(W+, W-, Z), electromagnetic (photon), gravity (graviton - tentative)

We pretty much know everything except gravity.

We have only scratched the surface of the use of electromagnetic force. I have an idea to generate massive power cheaply, but the experiement will cost perhaps $100 million dollars or more just to set it up. Most of the money will go to 512 high energy (Tesla) magnetic coils (basically a particle accelerator). I am talking to an African nation to use their miles of empty land, just in case we hit E=mc2 (Kaboom)
 
kmguru said:
More stuff from India:

A glass-like material which cannot be detected by radar has been developed by Prof Dongre, a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University, based on technology found in an ancient Sanskrit text, Vaimanika Shastra. A plane coated with this unique material cannot be detected using radar.

Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the university said that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! The Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the documents for study in their space program.
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Oh God, I hope they photocopied them and let the Tibetans keep the originals. The Chinese are still raping Tibet, are they not? We Westerners have all but completely ignored this. I hope the Tibetans are at least two steps ahead of them. I also hope that they find a way of putting it to the Chinese.
 
anu, i appreciate your open mind

It's good to see that some are trying to find where the evidence leads rather than to limit themselves based on narrow modern criteria.

And thanks for posting links.

I came into this from a little different angle. While studying climate change effects on coastal urban communities, I created some maps that look ahead to 25 m or 75 m equilibrium sea level rise from 300 to 1,000 years into the future. But I also found where the sea shore had been in the past back to the last glacial maximum (and it has varied along the same swath of coast and submarine land during 30ish ice ages before that). It struck me that if we want to dig for a prehistoric city, most of the area to explore is currently underwater. Thus, you must dive (quite deep - almost 400 feet (125 m) - into the psychrosphere!) to reach the edge of the sea at times when ice approached maximum toward the end of ice ages. When an event occurred in the prehistoric past makes a big difference in how far out to sea you might look to find former coastal city evidence. Assuming that sea-level fall during the long buildup to a glacial maximum proceded as slowly as sea level rise has for us during the past 6000 years (until recently that is), it seems that any civilization building prior to 25,000 years ago would have found the world a very stable, pleasant place. Any sustainable settlements would have had a longer time to develop societies and technologies than "we" have had during the Holocene. It seems reasonable to expect that "higher" forms of human society and technology should have preceded our own. How much of this survived the worst of the ice age meltdown 17,000 to 6,000 years before present is unknown, but if persistent stories of UFOs happened throughout historic times, why couldn't these be explained by well-maintained ancient technology?
 
i wan't find it impossible of ancient civilisation that had the ideas and plans for modern inventions, but they just didnt apply it, so reasearches, and maybe they did, i wan't also find it impossible that some ancient lost civilisations, have developed many things, and ended up destroyed, and etc.. like many civilisations even in modern ancient times,

anyway, kmguru, can you provide us some links pleas? about that chinese scribtures and indian, and etc..?
 
however, UFOs? naah, why don't you say that aliens are who invented tv and built HAARP?
as for UFOs i think it's a myth, a modern myth, and if it exist, it's propably some kind of secret spying vehicle, nazies did built some UFOs, experimenting however, and if there was somehow "evidences" for ancient UFOs, propably unexplained phenomenon in the sky, and they thought it's, UFO or something, however i don't know any ancient UFOs, what i know is that it's a modern thing
 
Shadow1 said:
i wan't find it impossible of ancient civilisation that had the ideas and plans for modern inventions, but they just didnt apply it, so reasearches, and maybe they did, i wan't also find it impossible that some ancient lost civilisations, have developed many things, and ended up destroyed, and etc.. like many civilisations even in modern ancient times,

anyway, kmguru, can you provide us some links pleas? about that chinese scribtures and indian, and etc..?
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Shadow, to the best of your knowledge did any ancient civilization have a relatively decent working knowledge of the gasoline engine?

Because without it, the chances that they developed a way to power a plane is slim to none.

And I only say that there is a slim chance because they could conceivably have discovered and harnessed electrical power in the absence of oil, preferring maybe peat or coal. then charging a battery and running it as an electrical plane.

Which I will be the first to say that the idea of that happening is silly.

you see, the thing is shadow, that for any ancient civilization to be concidered significant enough to be contrasted with modern civilization I think the one prerequisite would be the ability to create steel. Chances are if anybody used steel to build anything it would be extremely easy to find such evidence even a few thousand years after they built it.
 
underwata said:
It's good to see that some are trying to find where the evidence leads rather than to limit themselves based on narrow modern criteria.

And thanks for posting links.

I came into this from a little different angle. While studying climate change effects on coastal urban communities, I created some maps that look ahead to 25 m or 75 m equilibrium sea level rise from 300 to 1,000 years into the future. But I also found where the sea shore had been in the past back to the last glacial maximum (and it has varied along the same swath of coast and submarine land during 30ish ice ages before that). It struck me that if we want to dig for a prehistoric city, most of the area to explore is currently underwater. Thus, you must dive (quite deep - almost 400 feet (125 m) - into the psychrosphere!) to reach the edge of the sea at times when ice approached maximum toward the end of ice ages. When an event occurred in the prehistoric past makes a big difference in how far out to sea you might look to find former coastal city evidence. Assuming that sea-level fall during the long buildup to a glacial maximum proceded as slowly as sea level rise has for us during the past 6000 years (until recently that is), it seems that any civilization building prior to 25,000 years ago would have found the world a very stable, pleasant place. Any sustainable settlements would have had a longer time to develop societies and technologies than "we" have had during the Holocene. It seems reasonable to expect that "higher" forms of human society and technology should have preceded our own. How much of this survived the worst of the ice age meltdown 17,000 to 6,000 years before present is unknown, but if persistent stories of UFOs happened throughout historic times, why couldn't these be explained by well-maintained ancient technology?
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There is one hole in your theory.

The number one reason why you build a town around a body of water is for fresh water. You do not get that from the ocean.

Sure you can say "oh, but they must have used ports for trade."

Something tells me that they probably did not have that sort of commerce considering the simple questions of "what in G-d's name is worth that much that justifies such an expensive technological leap? Moreover, what currency would they even use?"

Besides the fact that your cute little hypothesis doesn't answer the question of "why is it that the plains cave men were gibbering idiots while the ones closer to the ocean built thriving metropoli."

Im having a difficult time imagining a cave man Einstein.
 
VitalOne said:
According to the Vymannika Shastra, "There are seven sources of power of the vimaana: fire, earth, air, sun, moon, water and sky. The seven kinds of powers are named udgamaa, panjaraa, solar heat absorber, alien force absorber, solar electric dozen, kuntinee, and primary force."

We already know of fire, water (hydro), air, sun (solar) power, but what do you think the earth, moon, and sky power could mean? Could earth mean mechanical, and moon mean magnetic? And what is this primary force it speaks of?
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The primary force of our society. The most powerful force we know of in the universe.

Human stupidity.
 
fedr808 said:
The primary force of our society. The most powerful force we know of in the universe.

Human stupidity.
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Human stupidity combined with selective knowledge are what makes people predictable, and one of the main reasons why things like Game Theory work.
 
kmguru said:
The one with the standard equation or the one with extra ones for added dimension?
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They ran out of chalk before they could get to other dimensions.

Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to write planks constant in chalk?;)
 
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fedr808 said:
Shadow, to the best of your knowledge did any ancient civilization have a relatively decent working knowledge of the gasoline engine?

Because without it, the chances that they developed a way to power a plane is slim to none.

And I only say that there is a slim chance because they could conceivably have discovered and harnessed electrical power in the absence of oil, preferring maybe peat or coal. then charging a battery and running it as an electrical plane.

Which I will be the first to say that the idea of that happening is silly.

you see, the thing is shadow, that for any ancient civilization to be concidered significant enough to be contrasted with modern civilization I think the one prerequisite would be the ability to create steel. Chances are if anybody used steel to build anything it would be extremely easy to find such evidence even a few thousand years after they built it.
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yes i think you're right, but, maybe, some made just paper drawings and plans, they didnt do it, but had the idea, but they can't do it, maybe they had ideas
 
Dywyddyr said:
Ugh equals urgh bler squggled?
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If it was a Yorkshireman it would be:
Eeeh Lad equals bar gum squirred.

Did Indians invent the aeroplane before or after they invented the train?
Were Aunties involved?
 
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Shadow1 said:
yes i think you're right, but, maybe, some made just paper drawings and plans, they didnt do it, but had the idea, but they can't do it, maybe they had ideas
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why would they understand that fire+water=steam and steam in an enclosed space creates high pressure?

If they did create drawings, it was nothing other then blind luck.
 
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