No that is not correct. I properly identified the rape as the illegal act, but I did project the consequences of this illegal act onto the resulting pregnancy, not as being illegal in and of itself but nevertheless consequential to the violence inflicted on the mother who endured the illegal act which caused the pregnancy.
A legitimate definition, you say? By which you mean what? That your definition is authorised by law? Or could it be that you, too, recognise and use another meaning of the word "legitimate"?You are now arguing with the dictionary, not me....
I gave you a legitimate definition of the word.
I haven't insisted on anything. You, on the other hand, seem to be quite insistent on this matter, for some reason I haven't yet worked out.
It's a pity you didn't simply say this 22 posts ago - when asked several times for clarification on the misused word.
Right, anything else you want to add to this fundamental generic definition?
Right, you want to place this specific definition in a higher hierarchy than "contrary to or forbidden by law"?
You did.
Nobody describes pregnancy as legitimate or illegitimate, not in the legal sense that you want to use that term. Pregnancies are not authorised by law - at least in the US. Women don't have to apply for pregnancy permits or for legal recognition that their pregnancy is authorised.
Who has advocated holding mothers responsible for being raped? What are you talking about?
Now that is a different matter. Certainly I agree with you that a rape victim should not be legally compelled to bring a pregnancy to term. I also note that the explicit, intended, effect of a number of recently-introduced laws in various US states is to so compel women. In Alabama, for example, legislators explicitly voted down a proposed amendment to their new law that would have allowed a rape victim to obtain a legal abortion.
I'm sure the rape victim mother will not be so lenient. I suspect the rape victim will not consider the pregnancy as legitimate. It was not only unintentional and unwanted, but the result of an illegal and violent act by the rapist. And clearly the rapist is mentally unstable which might be due to a genetic defect being passed on to the fetus. And as I understand it from common law it is the female's right to refuse forcible pregnancy and a right to defend against such threats.
I wonder about that myself.
It's a pity you didn't bother to look it up in the dictionary. And I did several times explain the context and provided dictionary definition which you conveniently ignored. And you are still accusing ME?
Oh yes, it does and seldom is it my fault. That is because I seldom misuse terms which are offered in context. But it is you who is constantly on my case because you are too lazy to check the dictionary and see the definition in black and white, before you accuse my of being "incorrect".
What? Do you suspect I don't know the difference? Do you want definitions? Gimme a break.
No I did not. I said the pregnancy is the direct result of illegitimate, unlawful, illicit, against the law, criminal, lawbreaking, actionable, felonious RAPE. Take your pick.
From your postings, I have no idea. It sounds like you use words differently than most people.
Nor will you. But no one cares whether you, or the rape victim's mother, thinks of whether it is "legitimate" or "illegitimate." The only person's opinion that matters is the opinion of the woman who is pregnant. And it only matters because she decides what happens with her own body, not if it's "legitimate" or not.
There is no such law. She has a right to refuse sex, refuse medical procedures and has a right to use birth control. There is no legal definition of "forcible pregnancy" or "legitimate pregnancy."
Nope. I am beginning to think you have no idea what you are talking about.
Just like Hitler!
It is a matter of record.
Sorry, that was a poorly constructed sentence. I meant to say the rape victim (the pregnant mother) would not see her pregnancy as legitimate, and that does count, IMO.
They are in the dictionary. I can't help it if people do not study the dictionary like I do. I know my limitations, that's why I consult the dictionary often. Shame not everybody tries to expand their vocabulary. Don't blame me for your ignorance.
I thought we were talking about rape, a forcible act.
Think harder.
Wow, now that's a mental leap I cannot follow. Does that have anything to do with pregnancy resulting from rape?
I do. Illegitimate, as applied to childbearing, means a child born to a couple who are not married. From Merriam Webster:
Perhaps consulting it just a _tad_ more often would help you, then.
Nope. Do burqas?
Interesting move of the goal posts. Your original quote read as follows;
So you just dropped the first "generic" definition, in favor of the second definition as it applies to pregnancy. But I still prefer the first definition as it applies to law.
That's what the word means as applied to law and rape.
Perhaps you might take your own advice.
They most certainly do. They are design to keep the womans body hidden, so that the woman will not pose an undue temptation to the Muslim male.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2009/07/02/beyond-burqa#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law
You are making less and less sense. I have no idea what your point is, why you are arguing or why you are making up your own silly definitions. So I will let you continue it by yourself. Have a good day!
Not for that many Muslim men and women, though.
May well be. I'm just quoting. I know the Taliban subjugate their women. They even have a special "morality" police force which patrols the streets to enforce "modesty" in women.
