A call for minority reports...

le coq

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I would imagine not a few people here have seen it - what's your opinion?

I give it a C+, mostly for set design and a few excellent scenes of action and drama, but it fell apart towards the end and only slightly implied any useful social critique (which is inseperable from any passage of Dick's work). Any forays into cognition theory vis a vis the precogs are ignored, an area ripe for exploration in modern sf. Barely glanced at is the ethics of using their creation, and society's chemical manipulation of genetics and destiny. Instead we get another dose of technological fetishism and clever engineering problems to contribute more to a scene's dramatic tension than an ethical or sociological seriousness. A scene that would have worked especially well but just couldn't escape Spielberg's penchant for cuteness is the spider/eye-scanners spreading out through a slum tenement to identify all "warm bodies" within IR scan range. Instead of examining closer the chilling implications of this, the scene instead opts for a charm reminiscent of *batteries not included. I suppose Spielberg thinks we'll "get" many of those themes for ourselves, yet he feels it's necessary to show us a timer on a bed stand again to remind us that Cruise is jeopardizing his sight by removing the bandages too early to allow the scanner to read his new eyes. In the first scene, Cruise has to say "which one is it?" out loud, even though we already know that's what he's thinking. Is this cinema that respects it's audience's intelligence, and dares to take it farther than any sf movie has before? Did he learn nothing from Kubrick? The movie has many more logical errors, some so large as to be incredibly insulting, indeed large enough to render most of the plot moot, but I don't want to set aside a spoiler space at this point. Aside from the science, I would take issue with most of the plot structure, but perhaps that's for a different kind of forum altogether, or in case anyone wishes to debate on that point here as well.

On a hopeful note, the film was preceded by a teaser for Solaris, a film based on the the Stanislaw Lem novel (previously filmed by Tarkovsky in Russian back in the 70s, required for any true sf cineaste), to be produced by James Cameron and directed by Steven Soderbergh. It should have the production values and the intelligence, and I would be disappointed if it wasn't one of the best sf films in many years.

John Le Coq
 
I have to flat-out disagree with you there, le coq (interesting name). Welcome to sciforums, and welcome hopefully to your first debate.

I saw the movie last night, and I was blown away. Let me start with the action sequences first:

  • Rocketpack guys flying through homes and around buildings was well done, bumping the ceiling and watching the table move, the family back away, then have the pair of cops fly through was very cool and comedic.
  • The scene in the Lexus Car was a bit reminiscent of the construction part of Episode 2, but was still very cool. When his head popped out from the inside I kinda knew it would happen but was still entertained.
  • Even though it was brief, the moving vines were very eerie.
  • The Mechanical spiders insited a bunch of brief comedy segments, the married pair fighting, the guy taking a dump. Then, when they finally found our hero Anderton they just do a very cool job.

Mystery Part:

  • Toward the end of the movie I though I had the whole thing figured out, trouble is, there was 45 minutes of the film left. I soon realized that the film had a long way to go from what was supposed to be the climax. At that point I was in hysterics, because I came to realize that this would be one of my favorite movies of all time.
  • The old guy at the end killing himself was cool, you could almost see his side of the story, how sacrificing one person to save thousands was a noble one in his mind, to keep hold of Agatha.
  • In the beginning I didn't like the agent sent to replace Anderton (he sort of was), but as his character evolved I really enjoyed his tenacious pursuit and the epiphany of his innocence for framing the star.

Special Effects/Technology:

  • I could really see the evolution of how far advertisement had gone, the girl in the gap store offering Cruise some pants or something, the cameras that took pictures of people's eyes and then had the TV screens shout at them. The cereal box, at the beginning, was very cool as well.
  • The way the lense was set up, the filter they used (similar to A.I) gave the film a generally cool look.
  • Special Effects were up-to-date, they were nice but not revolutionary (like Jurassic Park or maybe Episode I)
  • The design of the Pre-Crime Headquarters was very cool, as were their ships. The cars were well designed to, very smooth and streamlined.
  • The bullets of the gun that Cruise picked up in the Lexus facility was very cool.

Some of these may just be a matter of opinion I guess...

Enjoy yourself at sciforums!:D
 
The only movie that was ever good that used anysort of manipulation of time was The Time Machine. The general thing is that anymovie that tries to use time travel or seeing into the future, ect. sucks.

My 2 cents worth,
Tristan
 
Now I myself, as Pollux knows, am a movie freak. But Minority report got a prestigues 9 out of 10 on my movie scale. Plot was incredible, direction incredible, special effects beyond incredible, acting pretty damn good and finally it was the most realistic futuristic movies of all time. The jet-packs were kinda odd, there were two points in the movie in which the acting was a little off, and a little change in script this one could have been better. BUT a 9 on my list is an icredibly good movie. I Loved it!

Hey Pollux what would you give it? (1-10)
 
The other thing i hated about it was the technology. They had stuff we use now, stuff that is practical for 2050A.D. then some shit that was like from 5030A.D.

Your telling me that those freeways they showed could be built in under 50 years?! Did you see how massive they showed them to be? And what about tapping into the brain for the fantasys and the precogs. What a bunch of BS.

Of course its a movie and im just very critical of any movie that uses any sort of manipulation of time.

;)
 
I despised certain technology they used like highways (asTristan pointed out). Other than that it was a generally well acted and interesting movie. However, the thing I really didn't like was the ending. It didn't end like it should have. It was Spielbergized. Mass-produced ending about the success of the human spirit and could easily have been taken from every other of his movies.
 
After I saw the photos on the bed I thought the movie was over, afterwords it reached 'godly' status.
 

I am so angry about this film.
Made by Fox, News UK was promised a free preview screening.
But only for the London site.
Liverpool and Glasgow sites, as usual have to go fish.
It makes me soo mad and I promise, I will not be going to see it. GRRR.
 
Was it all in his head?

I was wondering if anyone else got the impression that everything after Anderton’s capture was just a fantasy that he was living out in the stasis-prison. They commented several times that prisoners lived out fantasies while ‘sleeping’ in the prison.

Maybe it was just me, but the movie seemed to totally switch gears immediately after Anderton was haloed. Suddenly his wife turns into some kind of super spy, the supposedly brilliant Burgess reveals himself with an unbelievably stupid slip of the tongue, Anderton gets back together with his wife, the guy who Anderton hates (Witwer) is killed, the precogs all live happily-ever-after…it just seemed totally off the wall.

‘Minority Report’ was written by Philip Dick, an author known for his twist endings. There’s always some character that finds out he’s really a robot or stuck in a parallel dimension or something. The fairytale ending that the movie presents is totally out of character for him.

It’s also interesting to consider that in the original book none of the events that the movie portrays after Anderton’s capture happened. In the book he was simply arrested, convicted, and punished. There was never any exoneration for him. I suppose it’s possible that Spielberg decided to stick on a bizarrely implausible ending to make his audience happy, but I would like to think otherwise. Everything would make a lot more sense if it was all in Anderton’s head.

Any thoughts?
 
Minority Report was an ambicious film, with a horrible story line. The movie was predictable as hell, and you knew what was going to happen in all the climatic scenes. And the subplot with Cruise's son was obviously thrown in the film to add drama.

Spielberg needs to make films about the present time, AI and Minority Report, both were very weak.
 
On the contrary, I would insist that Steve stick with scifi, since he is, at the moment, the most popular and well known in the industry, and it's good to have him on the side of the scifi geeks (like me:D).
 
Originally posted by Pollux V
On the contrary, I would insist that Steve stick with scifi, since he is, at the moment, the most popular and well known in the industry, and it's good to have him on the side of the scifi geeks (like me:D).

I think it's kind of a mixed blessing. On one hand, I'm generally in favor of more big-budget sci-fi movies. I enjoy science fiction, and since there are relatively few sci-fi movies I'm always happy when someone makes a new one.

On the other hand, Spielberg totally butchered 'The Minority Report.' The original story was very complex, but Philip Dick did a brilliant job of resolving everything in a logical and believable way. When Spielberg turned it into a movie he tried to keep the original complexity, but he tried to fiddle with the plot and ended up with a movie that didn't make any sense whatsoever. Seriously, this movie probably had more plot holes and blatantly contrived plot devices than any other movie I've seen. I guess I'm sort of clinging to the 'it was all a dream' theory in order to keep my respect for Spielberg.
 
I read somewhere that the missing son plot twist was good ol' Tom Cruise's idea.

::insert defeated face icon here::
 
I give it a B-.

The ending sucked. He turned a sci-fi into a mystery only there was no mystery as it was obvious well before the end. If Spielberg still had some balls this could have been great.
 
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Lots of people could do to grow back their balls these days.
 
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