exchemist
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Incomprehensible.
Zuckerberg's Neck (No, really)
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Seattle
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Do not troll. If you want to accuse somebody of something, don't insinuate. Bring the evidence.
Have you always had this obsession with young kids?
I suppose I could write you a longer post to explain the backstory, but then you'd just complain. The short form is that the underlying values (e.g., "incel types all coming out of the woodwork"↑) are not surprising, as they have been bouncing around internet discourse and the tech sector for a while, now.
Parmalee, for instance (i.e., the person I was responding to) has something of a clue what I'm referring to, even if he doesn't remember that self-inflicted rationalist injury in particular. Looking back, the most excruciating thing about Spiers' telling↱ is its familiarity:
I'd also like to see people who self-identify as Rationalists be a little more self-aware about when they are letting their emotions trample their logic—when they're tempted to argue that questions of justice are ancillary to question of progress, and when they, for example, get angry and project all manner of emotion onto reporters whose reporting they don't like.
But mostly, I want them to be more rigorous: to acknowledge that ideas are meaningless in a vacuum that does not include real world material conditions, and that people pursuing innovation are not the only people who matter, or even the people who matter most.
But mostly, I want them to be more rigorous: to acknowledge that ideas are meaningless in a vacuum that does not include real world material conditions, and that people pursuing innovation are not the only people who matter, or even the people who matter most.
It seemed reasonable enough in its moment, but time has shown it too much ask of the Rationalists. Clearly, Spiers expected too much.
But, yes, that, too, is part of what goes into Zuck's masculine neck envy.
Seattle
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DaveC426913
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Wow. This thread went to hell in a hurry.
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I wouldn't worry about it. "Everyone I don't like is a pedophile" is a standard conservative meme, and "you're a pedophile" is the standard conservative comeback when they are losing an argument. Employed regularly by conservative greats like Trump, Musk and DeSantis.
The irony is, of course, that Trump's pick for Attorney General - Matt Gaetz - is under investigation for paying a 17 year old to have sex with him. And Denny Hastert, once a conservative icon, is now in jail for having sex with underage boys. Half a dozen other conservatives have had similar troubles with underage sex partners.
It was Goebbels who first regularly employed the "Accusation in a Mirror" - a false claim that accuses the target of something that the perpetrator is doing or intends to do. Thus he would accuse the enemies of Nazism of genocide and violence. Conservatives have refined this to an art form.
Moderator note: Seattle has been warned for trolling.
Most people can understand that insinuating that somebody is a pedophile, without bringing an ounce of evidence, is a real dick move.
The intent is clearly to try to provoke an angry reaction, which - by the way - is completely justified in this kind of situation.
Most people can understand that insinuating that somebody is a pedophile, without bringing an ounce of evidence, is a real dick move.
The intent is clearly to try to provoke an angry reaction, which - by the way - is completely justified in this kind of situation.
Seattle
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Anger is never justified nor is a moderator calling someone a dick whether it's direct or a dick "move". I would report that but there's no one else to report it to.
Seattle
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Please do not troll.
Because I haven't done anything wrong. You are the one trying to distract and shift blame. Everyone isn't called out equally.
Moderator note: Seattle has been warned from trolling.
Just a few minutes ago, Seattle was warned for trolling. Most people understand that an official warning from a moderator is an indication that you have done something wrong.
It is best to reflect on what it was that you did wrong and try to amend your behaviour so that it doesn't happen again, rather than to tell lies and try to troll the moderator.
Just a few minutes ago, Seattle was warned for trolling. Most people understand that an official warning from a moderator is an indication that you have done something wrong.
It is best to reflect on what it was that you did wrong and try to amend your behaviour so that it doesn't happen again, rather than to tell lies and try to troll the moderator.
If someone accused someone you loved of being a pedophile with no evidence, would you consider that "doing nothing wrong?"
Two Cents for the Fourth Wall
A brief bit of bothsidesing, or allarounding: Was a time when it was common to use phrases like "psycho" colloquially. I'm not sure how to mark the transition into another context, but, sure, if someone wants to complain about women calling some dude at the bar a psycho, sure, I'll listen to that, at the very least as long as it takes for the sound to finish passing.
In my lifetime, the dualism on this is not quite left and right, but, rather, colloquy and equivocation. The truth is, what's weird about Tim Walz is that he reminds us of any number of annoying adults we knew in our youthtime; the bit about the hot dish only underscores the difference between process and deviation.
White-guy tacos, for instance, is kind of funny, but also kind of dumb. Some might refer to it as "dad humor", these days, but anyone familiar with Scandamerican, post-Lutheran, "Ya, sure, you betcha" culture already knows the subsequent confusion about a "hot dish" is just plain stupid. And that's where we have to be careful about the formal and colloquial definitions of words.
Because the "hot dish" confusion is not statistically believable. Episcopalians, Baptists, white Methodists and German Catholics, at least, all know the phrase "hot dish". And if that's somehow confusing, our American abuse of the word "casserole" will stun you.
The "hot dish" confusion sounds more like a desperate pitch, and here we find our demarcation. Tim Walz is weird in a quirky manner recognizable within traditional Americana.
J.D. Vance, by comparison, is weird because he exudes a predatory manner.
Like I said, we must be careful about formal and colloquial definitions. Vance is guarded and calculating and belligerent; his predatory aspect is that of a swindler and psychological abuser.
Toward which—
—we also already have the example of Vance arguing that he will "create stories so that the American media actually pays attention"↗. That inability to be forthright, and perpetually fearful and suspicious air might lend toward perceptions of ceaseless hustle and grift, but he also just comes right out and says it.
Similarly—
—it's not just Vance's predatory aura. And here, let us be careful: This is more about the idea that he would convey, as the phrase goes, unwholesome thinking.
My father actually used to value the "trust around my kids" standard, but, well, right, never mind; it doesn't really matter how I relate to the idea of trusting someone around my daughter, because there's also the story J.D. Vance↗ told about telling his seven year-old to shut the hell up, which is about as clear on this point as can be.
A brief bit of bothsidesing, or allarounding: Was a time when it was common to use phrases like "psycho" colloquially. I'm not sure how to mark the transition into another context, but, sure, if someone wants to complain about women calling some dude at the bar a psycho, sure, I'll listen to that, at the very least as long as it takes for the sound to finish passing.
In my lifetime, the dualism on this is not quite left and right, but, rather, colloquy and equivocation. The truth is, what's weird about Tim Walz is that he reminds us of any number of annoying adults we knew in our youthtime; the bit about the hot dish only underscores the difference between process and deviation.
White-guy tacos, for instance, is kind of funny, but also kind of dumb. Some might refer to it as "dad humor", these days, but anyone familiar with Scandamerican, post-Lutheran, "Ya, sure, you betcha" culture already knows the subsequent confusion about a "hot dish" is just plain stupid. And that's where we have to be careful about the formal and colloquial definitions of words.
Because the "hot dish" confusion is not statistically believable. Episcopalians, Baptists, white Methodists and German Catholics, at least, all know the phrase "hot dish". And if that's somehow confusing, our American abuse of the word "casserole" will stun you.
The "hot dish" confusion sounds more like a desperate pitch, and here we find our demarcation. Tim Walz is weird in a quirky manner recognizable within traditional Americana.
J.D. Vance, by comparison, is weird because he exudes a predatory manner.
Like I said, we must be careful about formal and colloquial definitions. Vance is guarded and calculating and belligerent; his predatory aspect is that of a swindler and psychological abuser.
Toward which—
—we also already have the example of Vance arguing that he will "create stories so that the American media actually pays attention"↗. That inability to be forthright, and perpetually fearful and suspicious air might lend toward perceptions of ceaseless hustle and grift, but he also just comes right out and says it.
Similarly—
—it's not just Vance's predatory aura. And here, let us be careful: This is more about the idea that he would convey, as the phrase goes, unwholesome thinking.
My father actually used to value the "trust around my kids" standard, but, well, right, never mind; it doesn't really matter how I relate to the idea of trusting someone around my daughter, because there's also the story J.D. Vance↗ told about telling his seven year-old to shut the hell up, which is about as clear on this point as can be.
exchemist
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Isn’t paedophilia what the Q Anon myth is all about?
In the case of Musk, who likes to chuck accusations of paedophilia around, he has something uncomfortably close to that in his own father. Errol Musk, having married a woman with a 4yr old daughter from a previous relationship, whom he presumably brought up as his stepchild, subsequently got divorced…..and has now fathered two children with the stepdaughter. Pretty creepy, that.
And as we know, Musk’s own son, at the age of 18, disowned his father and announced he was changing gender, which seems to have triggered a radical personality change in Musk. Within 6 months he had bought Twitter and proceeded to convert it into a far-right echo chamber in which he can rant about “the woke mind virus”. This son, now daughter, has described Musk as behaving like an incel. So it’s all Happy Families there, evidently.
This dysfunctionality has real world consequences. Musk is now using X to try to destabilise the British government and promote far right politics in Germany.
Relevance to the thread topic, please? And how does you telling us that you have unsubcribed, let alone the act itself, add anything of relevance, significance or, heaven forbid, act to correct that which you are ostensibly complaining about?
Just asking, as I may be missing something relevant to the thread topic. Thanks.
Zuckerberg's transformation isn't anything too creepy, in my view. Physically he's just working out in a manner that encourages a larger/stronger neck, and the rest is possibly just him recognising that he needs to project more confidence to help Meta continue to succeed with him as CEO. The fact that he's sucking up to Trump is just good business sense at the moment, albeit maybe at the expense of pride and dignity, but billions of dollars can compensate for that, right? Maybe his transformation is to compensate for insecurity and marital issues - i mean, who commissions statues of their wives (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx29e0w3gkvo) these days? I guess it's better than having a statue of himself, although maybe he also has one of those in his office (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ics/trump-statue-florida-office-b1827424.html). This is all one-step away from seeing Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg, and others dressed in togas, and then fiddling while the rest of the US burns.
Anyhoo, there are certainly creepier people in Trump's orbit, as others have mentioned.
Maybe his transformation is to compensate for insecurity and marital issues - i mean, who commissions statues of their wives (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx29e0w3gkvo) these days? I guess it's better than having a statue of himself, although maybe he also has one of those in his office (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ics/trump-statue-florida-office-b1827424.html). This is all one-step away from seeing Trump, Musk, Zuckerberg, and others dressed in togas, and then fiddling while the rest of the US burns.Anyhoo, there are certainly creepier people in Trump's orbit, as others have mentioned.
Pinball1970
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Gosh, I didn't know any of that family stuff. I have been keeping tabs on his Space program which has been incredible so far.
He could have such a huge impact on science and technology with his billions of he just concentrated on that.
Pinball1970
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That is totally not cool sir. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding Trump, everyone has a right to vote the way they want and I have said so.
That kind of comment regarding children is highly offensive, as bad as it gets, especially if you have kids yourself.
You should retract it with an apology.
If you do you will earn some respect for that.
I have requested retractions from different posters regarding comments about me which were not carried out.
No one died as a result but that benefit of the doubt disappeared and onlookers may have felt the same.
Madoff got there first, although I wouldn't put it past Trump to do something similar...
And if by magic... https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-dumps-pyramid-scheme-lawsuit-against-trump/ although for fairness it should be pointed out that he has not been found guilty of anything... except 34 felony counts, but that's another matter.