Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
You don't know what the hell you are talking about as always.
Why do people believe in God?
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Gawdzilla Sama
Valued Senior Member
Really? You haven't spoken with any IRL, that's clear. We're just humans who haven't been programmed.
axocanth
Registered Senior Member
Aww, c'mon. How about some atheists? I find the ill informed, woefully ignorant, self-satisfied, supercilious, condescending, militant atheist, "Red Guard" types every bit as depressing and as obnoxious as you surely do, even though not a believer in any god myself.
Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
I should have specified. When I use the term atheists, I mean the fundamental, militant atheists you see online. I think they are a minority by far. Most atheists, including myself, when I was an unbeliever, and all of my family and friends with the exception of my mother are non-militant atheists. They don't care about prayer in school, don't necessarily, in fact most of them don't believe in evolution, don't care about gay marriage, abortion, etc.
As with everything there are exceptions.
axocanth
Registered Senior Member
Yeah, as I said, they're a bit like the football (= soccer) hooligans that follow certain clubs in the UK, hardly the fault of the club itself.
The salient difference is this, though: The Red Guards of scientism are positively encouraged in their hooliganism by the Ministry of Propaganda (Dawkins, Krauss, et al).
The salient difference is this, though: The Red Guards of scientism are positively encouraged in their hooliganism by the Ministry of Propaganda (Dawkins, Krauss, et al).
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axocanth
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Oh, and for those who continue to make sweeping generalizations about science -- always a recipe for disaster -- insisting that science is committed to methodological naturalism, i.e., science is of necessity silent on matters pertaining to the so-called supernatural . . .
"This concludes the discussion of God, and to treat of God from phenomena is certainly a part of natural philosophy".
-- Isaac Newton
(read "natural philosophy" as science)
But that was then and this is now?
"I shall suggest that the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other"
- Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion" (2006)
"This concludes the discussion of God, and to treat of God from phenomena is certainly a part of natural philosophy".
-- Isaac Newton
(read "natural philosophy" as science)
But that was then and this is now?
"I shall suggest that the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other"
- Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion" (2006)
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Thank you!
Oh.
I think I have answered your questions, I have disagreed with some things but that does not mean I have put no work in.
My theology was taught to me, I was told what it all meant.
When I tried to work it all out I probably made more of a mess as a teenager.
I was an adult when I finally and carefully read the OT, all of it and it just jumped out at me as manmade.
All the scholarship stuff came after. Just hear me out on this part I was already an atheist when I looked this up but I wanted to know what Jesus was.
How could one man make such a huge impact on Western civilization? It did not make sense.
All of my friends are scientists, technologists, teachers with a few musos thrown in – no Theologians, priests, literary scholars no one could guide me.
I stumbled into it and got lucky.
So if I were to recommend a few books for you to read?
All the Brits will know this guy, I did not know anything Magnussen besides “Mastermind,” I was astounded with this book.
https://onlineshop.oxfam.org.uk/bc-...yBoCY70QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&sku=HD_302267118
Bart Ehrman, probably one of the worlds leading scholars of the New Testament.
https://global.oup.com/ushe/product/the-bible-9780190621308?cc=gb&lang=en&
and this. I knew absolutely none of this, information that was available to my teachers and priests but deliberately withheld.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/...fkPanEPEfLQv-o77xC6Ab-80PYO0sV6RoC32IQAvD_BwE
Finkelstein is an archaeologist, some of his ideas are fringe.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bible-Unearthed-Archaeologys-Vision-Ancient/dp/0684869136
Vermes- this was not an easy read. Worth it though.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/608947.The_Complete_Dead_Sea_Scrolls_in_English
The hardest of all of them, tough to read. She is an OT specialist.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Religious-...85-42fe-8fa3-a742aaea9ef8&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
Viable viruses do leave the host that is how they spread from host to host, either through sexual contact, bodily fluids, blood, mucus and water droplet infection..
I got Covid19 in November 2021 following the Delta wave. I did not touch anything or anyone in the week I got it. My feeling is droplet infection in an enclosed space (public bus- commute to work)
So yes viruses leave the host.
Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
I do think you chose that, you ARE homosexual, we cannot chose our sexuality.
The Bible has negative things to say about homosexuality and that must have had terrible consequences for people of faith who read those verses. Including you I will guess.
This is a sensitive and obviously very personal side to this thread to you so we can stop there if you want.
If not I am happy to discuss, "Homosexuality, nature the Bible and the law."
I will use the words of Christopher Hitchens to sum up, when discussing his friend Steven Fry and the catholic church attitude to homosexuality.
"Being gay is not a sin, it is just another form of love."
Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
C'mon. You have to know better than that. Yes, viruses leave the host as you've described, but that isn't what isolating a virus is. If isolating a virus only involved detecting its presence in the lab it certainly wouldn't mean much of anything. You have to grow the virus. That is isolating it. You don't just present a patient or contaminated water droplets. Covid was a respiratory virus, you don't catch a respiratory virus by touching it. A water droplet, from sneezing, coughing, spitting traps the pathogen inside the water so you can spit in someone's mouth and they won't be infected. Using a mask to block a virus like that is like trying to block mosquitos with a chain link fence, even if it is an N95 fit properly.
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Revelation In Space
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Take one small point from each of those references and IF I stick around for a while I will respond to them briefly. I suspect I will agree with some but others I won't. I don't take any of them seriously because they all most likely subscribe to the traditions of men, pagan influence through tradition that 99% of Bible believers and skeptics adhere to.
Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
I may not be able to choose homosexuality, but I can choose the lifestyle, specifically the practice. I eventually chose obedience to Jehovah God rather than practicing, that is engaging in homosexual acts.
Well, no, not really. At first, I simply said I can't do that (abstain), and I didn't. As I got older the idea became far more reasonable. The gay bars, bath houses, roadside meeting places, the drugs, alcohol, promiscuousness, the pretense, the infidelity, the depravity I once gladly accepted I began to reject. Then it became easy. The same with the drugs and alcohol.
I've always been upfront and honest about it on forums. The only person I could see any reason to lie to about it is God and that would be foolish. I don't talk about it with people I encounter in the real world because it isn't any of their business. I'm not going to dramatize or politicize it there, but in forums like this it becomes relevant. I once posted Bible topics on Sam Harris' Reason Project forum and an atheist there posted, flamed really, the forum with multiple threads accusing me of being homophobic due to my Bible beliefs. Nothing I had posted up to that point had anything to do with it, so it was an assumption. When I informed him I was homosexual he did the same thing (flaming) me as homosexual in a derogatory sense. People are hypocrites and idiots. I don't like people but their stupidity does astound and amuse me.
I don't have a problem with homosexuals or homosexuality outside of the Christian congregation. I don't think it is the Christian obligation to morally police the globe. Abortion and homosexual behavior outside of the congregation isn't any of my business. I'm apolitical, like Jesus, I'm no part of the world. What the congregation does isn't the business of the world, and conversely what the world does isn't the business of the congregation.
foghorn
Valued Senior Member
My bold
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
"How COVID-19 is spread
COVID-19 spreads very easily through close contact with people who have the virus.
When someone with COVID-19 breathes, speaks, coughs or sneezes, they release small droplets containing the virus. You can catch it by breathing in these droplets, or by touching surfaces covered in them and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth."
www.nhs.uk
OMG
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
"How COVID-19 is spread
COVID-19 spreads very easily through close contact with people who have the virus.
When someone with COVID-19 breathes, speaks, coughs or sneezes, they release small droplets containing the virus. You can catch it by breathing in these droplets, or by touching surfaces covered in them and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth."
How to avoid catching and spreading COVID-19 infection.
Read NHS advice about how to reduce your risk of catching and spreading COVID-19 infection, and ease your symptoms at home.
www.nhs.uk
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Gawdzilla Sama
Valued Senior Member
Oh, so you think SCIENCE has ALL THE ANSWERS, EH?
Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
No. I am not a JW, have never been a JW, would never be a JW.
"How COVID-19 is spread
COVID-19 spreads very easily through close contact with people who have the virus.
When someone with COVID-19 breathes, speaks, coughs or sneezes, they release small droplets containing the virus. You can catch it by breathing in these droplets, or by touching surfaces covered in them and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth."
How to avoid catching and spreading COVID-19 infection.
Read NHS advice about how to reduce your risk of catching and spreading COVID-19 infection, and ease your symptoms at home.
I don't trust what the Watchtower or NHS says about Covid. Covid is, like I said, a respiratory virus. You catch it from breathing invisible tiny particles in the air. These can last, in a closed unventilated area, for hours. In the air. You cannot get them from water droplets, or touching anything. You can roll around in water droplets all over a surface without getting Covid, so long as you don't breathe the virus, which is trapped in larger water droplets from sneezing, coughing, etc. You breathe the virus.
Revelation In Space
Registered Senior Member
If you're talking to me the answer is no.
Gawdzilla Sama
Valued Senior Member
Nope, Foghorn.
foghorn
Valued Senior Member
I don’t see where your coming from?
Science has models.
Gawdzilla Sama
Valued Senior Member
Yep, but my hillbilly cousins like to attribute things that haven't been claimed. That way they can claim "well, YOU SAID..."
Moderator note: Revelation in Space is an ex-member of sciforums. Readers are advised to ignore his comments about how the Covid 19 virus is transmitted. It seems unlikely that Revelation in Space had any medical or scientific qualifications. In contrast, national bodies such as the National Health Service in the United Kingdom, the CDC in the United States and others act on the best available scientific advice from actual professionals.
RIS said he personally "doesn't trust the NHS". RIS established himself as a believer in several conspiracy theories that have been widely debunked. His beliefs about Covid 19 seem to be as ill-founded as his beliefs regarding several other topics that have related debunked conspiracy theories.
TL;DR: beware of health advice you get from anonymous people on the internet. They are quite often wrong, and some of them are quite deluded.
RIS said he personally "doesn't trust the NHS". RIS established himself as a believer in several conspiracy theories that have been widely debunked. His beliefs about Covid 19 seem to be as ill-founded as his beliefs regarding several other topics that have related debunked conspiracy theories.
TL;DR: beware of health advice you get from anonymous people on the internet. They are quite often wrong, and some of them are quite deluded.
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