Could we create the perfect world?

[Holly-May Leslie]

here is a thought
how can anyone be emotionally honest to you(& thus honest at all) if they do not understand their own emotions ?


any amount of unanimity as a group is a process of compromise
the false assumption is that democracy is a group consensus of all wanting exactly the same thing
that is part of the bigger problem

No compromise is made on thing x if everyone is in perfect agreement about thing x. However, Perfect agreement is probably pretty hard to come by, especially in larger groups.

Democracy is probably just there to stop people complaining.

As for the thing about being emotionally honest, they can not be completely emotionally honest about any of the emotions which they do not fully understand, and the less that they understand said emotions, the less honest they can be about those emotions. This applies to anyone.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

& who decides when they qualify for that free money ?
free money is not user pays society
but most seek to define user pays society as the absolute best possible model

its a bit of an impasse
pretending to have a solution which is not actually a solution
& they run away from the debate as soon as that is questioned to how they will run that part
because they are power corrupted
so they only look to install corrupt models of power & authority which is un-answerable to the people whom they have power over to decide who gets food & who doesn't
and who gets medical care & who doesn't


I'm not advocating that anybody is obliged to give anything to anyone. I just think that people should be encouraged to want to help others in need so that we can all get along.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

its a bit of an impasse
pretending to have a solution which is not actually a solution
& they run away from the debate as soon as that is questioned to how they will run that part
because they are power corrupted
so they only look to install corrupt models of power & authority which is un-answerable to the people whom they have power over to decide who gets food & who doesn't
and who gets medical care & who doesn't

Okay. Do you have any main examples of this?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Health. (Talking about feelings, and sex, which people probably already know about by that age anyway.)

no
thats a big hard no
with exclamation marks

sexuality is fluid
peoples sexual orientation changes
only around 15% of people know who they are sexually
the rest are experimenting to find out or in a mess or both

refer psychology
but thats super advanced stuff(4th year university level)

brainwashing

Music

Maths

& because ...
you sound very sensory

you need maths
it is the language of the universe
even though t seems kinda pointless

the more you learn the more yo realise how t shapes pretty much everything
but its not a sensory subject
it requires learning new ways of thinking
thats hard stuff
maths teachers are not always very good at teaching
the good ones deliver their teaching to individual ways of learning

i was lucky with my high school maths teacher being a doctor of mathematics who had equal skill in psychology
very quiet un assuming person
highly skilled
but you only get 1 per year & bad luck if your not in the right place financial health or mentality

that boat has sailed & your back at the start with a new person
who may be considerably worse & have issues

thats not maths fault
everyone has their personal issues
good days bad days
good weeks bad weeks
good months bad months
good years bad years
etc etc

this is religion not science

Everyone chooses everything that happens to them for the following reasons:

you are talking about the law of karmic self definition
as an abstract from Hindu-ism & harikrishna with a touch of Buddhism
its a bit new age christianity kinda mixed in

you have to realise that this is a complex subject of religion & philosophy
not a cause & effect of material life

mathematics will teach you how to look at this subject in greater detail
mathematics is not an enemy of philosophy



no-point-isms

no point in changing anything because everything is pre-determined

that is an excuse as much as a religous concept

if you stop eating
you die
if you stop drinking
you die
if you stop sleeping
you die
if you stop pooping
you die

cause & effect

 

[Seattle]

Work is required for learning. They're not opposite goals though as far as I am aware because, as far as I am aware, there is way more work to be done at school than is required for learning, in almost any case, unless it is learning how to be a god damn slave that is.

What do you figure your career path will be once you are through with school? Just curious...

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

you need to qualify that statement
because it has no foundation of logic or reason
so you must provide an example of the difference
otherwise your statement of opinion me

ans less than nothing
it is a jump to an assertion of control dynamics
which is programmed thinking models

Example: Mia: Well, you can shove your reasonable REASON up your reasonable...
I laughed so hard at this.
I am too posh to say the next bit.

Example: My uncle Tim: You are very good at obfuscating to avoid the point. Me: What does obfuscating mean? Tim: It means making things unclear. Look it up. Me: There is no need to now, so no. Tim: WHY NOT!? Me: Because you already explained it perfectly well.

Example: Tim: How old are you Holly? Me: I am 17. Tim: Then how come you know everything. Me: I do not. Tim: Are you smarter than me? Me: I don't know. Probably yes. Tim: Are you the smartest person in the world?

 

[Seattle]

So your career path is...?

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

What do you figure your career path will be once you are through with school? Just curious...

I'll probably mooch off of my parents until I have enough money through my writing which I am ridiculously good at to move out and then use said writing to get the world to do what I want it to do, which is be a better place, by brain washing people, once I get enough publicity to. I have a lot that I am very good at, so there are a few options.

 

[Seattle]

I'll probably mooch off of my parents until I have enough money through my writing which I am ridiculously good at to move out and then use said writing to get the world to do what I want it to do, which is be a better place, by brain washing people, once I get enough publicity to. I have a lot that I am very good at, so there are a few options.

Good luck.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Good luck.

Thanks. That sounds like you think I will suck at life. I wont though.

 

[Seattle]

Thanks. That sounds like you think I will suck at life. I wont though.

No, you seem intelligent and individualistic enough to have some drive. Everyone can use some luck. Making a living isn't always easy however. Without more advanced education it can be even harder.

If you have a passion for writing though, that's something you can start now and see if you can get published as easily as you might hope to. Do your parents make a good living?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

yes

As for the thing about being emotionally honest, they can not be completely emotionally honest about any of the emotions which they do not fully understand, and the less that they understand said emotions, the less honest they can be about those emotions. This applies to anyone.

more soo
a majority of people
though they claim to understand themselves emotionally
do not
& when you factor their decision making process in to be governed by their emotional wants
defining their interactive values
they are incapable of being honest because they do not know themselves
while they also lie to themselves

so if you believe what they believe to be true
you may be believing a lie that they are telling themselves

this is EXTREMELY common
and goes double for anyone talking religion

its complicated

but appears to be quite simple by some who wish to control your thinking.

i am a true liberal
which means i don't care if you disagree with me as long as your doing so with free will & protections of human rights & equal rights

my agenda is to seek for others to be capable of creating mentally their own agenda
so they can be equals in choosing collective wants & needs

only this is how the species can move forward
everything else will fail ... and is failing right in front of our eyes around us globally

some leaders are dong what they can, but its a tricky uphill battle
trying to keep some happy while trying to move forward with others trying to move backwards etc etc add-nauseam

i do not NOT know the difficulties they face

i have my own financial problems
& my life is coming apart

only the rich can afford to give away ideas
and they never give away anything for free

 

[Michael 345]

Fear would probably work there though

How do you think churches operate?

Appealing to their collective wants and needs might

How do you think churches operate?

especially if paired with reason.

Churches also operate by leaving said pairing out

 

[RainbowSingularity]

...

 

[sideshowbob]

it INDICATES this very strongly, but does not prove it.

"Prove" is a wishy-washy word. The closest thing you're ever likely to get in reality is a very strong indication.

 

[billvon]

[useless subjects]Generally: English, (Mostly just having to talk the same bs repeatedly using big fancy words)

English is required to communicate with people in the US, and good English (i.e. ability to speak/read/write well) is required for most jobs in the US.

social studies

You cannot have a democracy if people do not understand how their society works. Social studies includes government studies, history, political science and geography; it would be very difficult to be an informed voter without any of that.

psychology

Understanding how other people's minds work is actually fairly important - but AFAIK it is not required in any primary schooling.

PE

I'd argue that knowing how to play on a team, and maintaining a minimum level of fitness, is an important part of education.

health

Knowing how your body works is critical. And no, not everyone that age knows how sex works - and they would never tell you that.

Maths

Math, science and English are probably the three most critical skills you can have in terms of your future employability. We are a technical society, and knowing how to operate in that technical society requires the ability to communicate, do math and understand the basics of the world around us.

Art . . . music . . .

I will agree with you there. They are useful in terms of understanding our culture, but not required as an educational subject.

I'm not against meritocracy. I believe that it is a requirement to stop people from messing the world up. However, I just think that it would occur naturally anyway because if somebody is not very good at something, then they are not going to be hired for it, and in the rare cases in which somebody is hired to do something that they are rubbish at, they will be fired for being rubbish at it.

But education can make you better at those things. I used to suck at math. But for my desired field (engineering) it was critical. So I worked at it - and became good enough.

As for the learning aspect, the internet seems to suffice for this.

I really hope that's a joke.

 

[billvon]

I mean, obviously law has to be a little bit oppressive to deal with scum like that, until we eliminate scum like that from the face of the earth by raising people to who don't want to do such things.

So we should force unvaccinated scum to get vaccinated? (Same sort of public health risk) How do we raise new people who don't want to be anti-vaxxers?

They're not opposite goals though as far as I am aware because, as far as I am aware, there is way more work to be done at school than is required for learning, in almost any case, unless it is learning how to be a god damn slave that is.

Since schools don't teach you to be a slave, I'll assume that sort of hyperbole was going towards a point that's outside of the scope of this discussion.

Okay. Then they should probably find different jobs which allow them to teach properly.

Like every single other occupation out there, there are good teachers and bad teachers. The trick is to cultivate the good ones.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

art , music

I will agree with you there. They are useful in terms of understanding our culture, but not required as an educational subject.

i believe art & music are critical in developing the mind & should be basic essentials in schooling in every year in some form

we listen there for we comprehend
we create there for we communicate

art fills the gap between that which lacks in teaching dynamics for alternative thinking people.

music develops synaptic motor function & neural pathways along with extending mathematics & creating a working example for alternate languages

Math, science and English are probably the three most critical skills you can have

modern world technology is all about platforms & software
maths teaches background dynamics to better understand how to translate & operate software platforms & code in various new models of process

normally i would run
MS office
outlook
custom monitoring software, maybe 2 or 3 types on 2 or 3 computers with maybe 1 dual screen
possibly with cisco wired in with outlook running calendar etc

being able to just sit down at a new desk & start using different software is a lot easier if you have some frame works of principals to help define probable path ways to functional process

i know some people who may be running a desk(the desk is typically 3 or 4 screens 2 or 3 PC's & maybe 4 different software packages on top of all the usuals MS office etc) & they will have their laptop going separately & also their own cell phone & maybe another shift cell phone
& an RT & maybe another RT
lol
it is hard for the untrained brain to just sit in on that level of basic functional needs & learn anything until it has been educated & developed up to a certain point.

 

[river]

river said: ↑
Yeah but not a reality they really want .

THEY think they want it.

Not in the beginning .

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

no




you are talking about the law of karmic self definition
as an abstract from Hindu-ism & harikrishna with a touch of Buddhism
its a bit new age christianity kinda mixed in

you have to realise that this is a complex subject of religion & philosophy
not a cause & effect of material life

mathematics will teach you how to look at this subject in greater detail
mathematics is not an enemy of philosophy



no-point-isms

no point in changing anything because everything is pre-determined

that is an excuse as much as a religous concept

if you stop eating
you die
if you stop drinking
you die
if you stop sleeping
you die
if you stop pooping
you die

cause & effect

determinism and free will are compatible for aforementioned reasons. Also, I already learnt maths rather well. It was the only subject I actually tried in. My teacher put me up to level 3 maths even though I missed 3 years of school due to several mental break downs. Maths and philosophy are pretty much different ways of teaching the same thing. They're both about all applicable fundamentals without any specifics mixed in. I split maths up into graphing and algebra, then I sub categorised those and learnt them bit by bit. First I learnt just single equations, which were simple enough that I could do them without being taught how. Its just moving all of the numbers to one side and the x's to the other through addition and subtraction, and dividing/multiplying the division/multiple of those x's away. Then I learnt qaudratic factorisation. Then I figured out how it worked which my teachers couldn't teach me, presumably because they were all too dumb. It is some x's must go in each bracket to get the x's squared. My teacher was able to explain that part. It is also finding factors of ac which add up to b for ax sqaured + bx + c because a coefficient of one of the x's in the bracket pair is multiplied by a coefficient of the lone number c to get some of the x's, and a coefficient of the x's in the other set of brackets is multiplied by the other coefficient of the lone number c to get the rest of the x's, meaning: factor of a times factor of c times x+other factor of a times other factor of c timesx=bx, so b must be split to fit the factors of ac. The next bit is just factorising the x's sqaured with one of the bits of bx, and the c with the other bit of bx to create 2 separate c factors, each in separate brackets, and 2 separate a factors, each in separate brackets. only 2 brackets will result from this because any quadratic represents a symmetrical curve of some kind or other, so the factorisation is some x's( some x's + some random number.)+ z(THE SAME AMOUNT of x's+ THE SAME random number,) and this simplifies to (x's+z)(some x's+the same random number.)

Then etc. I might create a new thread about it. I might create a few new threads about this stuff. Also, yes, I agree that some people may use determinism as excuse to be pathetic, especially religious groups.