Black holes do not exist

Have you got a lump of TIME I could look at please?

Or a photo?

And how many characteristics and / or features does it have?

And finally just to satisfy my curiosity from whence did you obtain this lump of TIME?

Not answered

Hmm. Yet just above, you said that if you cannot show someone a lump of something (say, time) it does not exist! And that you were waiting on that lump; you would not believe it until you saw it.
Yet just above, you said that if you cannot show someone a lump of something (say, time) it does not exist! And that you were waiting on that lump; you would not believe it until you saw it.

Did I indeed? Can you please indicate the post number for said posting. Seems to have gone missing from my thread

Thousands of years, in fact.

I have read one article stating 40,000 and another giving 170,000. I put that down to the author's starting conditions. Isn't it also that a light photon does not begin as a photon. It begins as radiation from the 100's of atomic fusions occuring within the sun's core and looses energy ricocheting off other sun particles on its drunken walk to the surface

At the surface it now travels at light speed via its momentum and kinetic energy having no rest mass

Why is it this discussion reminds me of a discussion, about god, James is having with another member. Said member insist god exist but has so far not given any evidence to sustain said belief

Slight division and repeating a reference

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/newsflash-time-may-not-exist

Small extract

Our clocks do not measure time

the person at the facility, The National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder (NIST is the government lab that houses the atomic clock that standardises time for the nation) is admitting there is no objective TIME to be measured

The facility itself determines what time is and the function of the facility is to keep other clocks in step with what the facility has determined

Back to James - any poster in the forum can instantly show TIME has a existence (just as the poster can instantly show his god exist) by producing evidence

A facility whose purpose is to synchronise time for a nation but does not use fundimental TIME for said synchronisation and produces its own version of time to use seems to me a very strange setup

Again what characteristics does fundimental TIME have?

Is there such a equipment device which detects TIME? Note detects TIME - NOT measures our pre determined time

Coffee break

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? Are you claiming - DISTANCE (capitals indicating a FUNDIMENTAL). - as being a FUNDIMENTAL?
I am claiming that what you said about time would also be true about distance.
In fact, photons don't experience any time at all.
In fact, photons don't experience any distance at all.
Is there such a equipment device which detects time? Note detects TIME - NOT measures our pre determined time
Is there such a equipment device which detects distance? Note detects DISTANCE - NOT measures our pre determined distance.
 
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I am claiming that what you said about time would also be true about distance.

In fact, photons don't experience any distance at all.

To Your last statement .

Like it but

They do though . Between the origin , the source of the light , ( a physical object ) and where it is now . And may not experience distance , but goes a distance . Nevertheless .
 
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Lets continue with the rest of your message I didn't respond.

How much quantum mechanics have you studied? Where did you study quantum field theory and general relativity?

I already posted that best for you is to exclude quantum mechanics and keep Relativity alone to prove the existence of those black holes of yours. But, do you know what? Add your quantum mechanics, after all it is just another theory with lots of failures from its very beginning, since the thought of the cat inside the box.

Are you aware of the mechanism behind Hawking radiation? I ask, because it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the theory.

Mechanism? Don't tell me. You better show here what mechanism you are talking about. No links accepted. Use your own words, and copy as many formulas, equations and even drawing you need to show your mechanism. I want to read it from you.


Like Einstein, Hawking has scores of the board. You do not, as far as I am aware. The scientific community of experts recognises Hawking's important contributions to science.

Who are those guys saying Einstein and Hawking works are valid in science? Write their names here. Also, what methods they used to verify if the words of those two individuals are accurate.


Where is your list of awards? Where is your list of peer-reviewed publications?

Where are yours? Better to say, bring here one of those scientists who have reviewed Einstein's Relativity, and let him explain the mechanism acting in time dilatation. It appears that you asking me for my profile is the beginning of your sure falling, because you have no evidence at all and now your messages are becoming personal.


What are your criteria for judging who "knows science" and who does not? Do people have to agree with all your opinions in order to "know science", as far as you are concerned? Are all the experts wrong, and only you are right? Are you just smarter than everybody else? That must be nice for you. Are you in Mensa? Have they given you a Nobel prize yet? Or is the scientific community jealous of you and unwilling to recognise your superiority?

The judgement is on base of PHYSICAL REALITY. No matter how famous and important the author of a theory can be for the scientific community. If his words are not supported by PHYSICAL REALITY then he is out, definitively he is out. Einstein is out. Hawking is out.


Tell me why. Provide at least one argument, supported by evidence. If you can. Go on, I double dare you!

I just wrote clocks malfunction when exposed to an environment other than the one in which those were CALIBRATED.

The common belief is that atomic clocks are "perfect" and such is a laughable idea. Even L. Essen, the inventor of the atomic clocks knew that his invention is not perfect. There is nothing "perfect" made by man, nothing. Atomic clocks, by the way they are built and the procedure of its function is one machine subjected to show any malfunction inside it.

If you want to keep the atomic clock works at the same rate of its original calibration, then don't move it.

On the other hand, your belief is that moving the atomic clock won't affect it at all, and such is your mistake because you do ignore how those clocks work.


Explain what is wrong with Hawking's theory. Please make sure you reference the detail when you do that. Don't just repeat your opinions. Evidence, remember! You said how important it was to bring the evidence! You must have heaps.

You are not doing your part, I told you to study how radiation comes to be. No matter if you apply Relativity alone, quantum mechanics alone, quantum relativity or relativistic quantum. Radiation is produced only one way, and black holes, by the way the theory explain such a body exists, such body can't evaporate radiation. No way, perhaps in your dreams.
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Are you an evolution denier as well as a relativity denier? Perhaps a topic for another thread. Are you a creationist, perchance? They are always fun to play with.

Evolution theory was used as an ANALOGY, but you can start a topic about if you want to.


Only the bits that have withstood rigorous testing, using the scientific method.

Apparently those scientists of yours were looking to obtain pineapple juice from a dead octopus, because they were so wrong in their methods to prove Relativity thru experiments and observation... lol...


You have a screwy idea about what is an isn't science. At the very least, it would be senseless to say that science isn't what the majority of scientists say is science. Maybe you should have payed more attention to your teachers in your advanced physics classes.

In my opinion, if you paid for Physics classes, then you must ask for a refund, because your teachers taught you fantasies rather than science.


Let's discuss your law in a separate thread. That could be fun.

Oh, sure, Science is fun, and science doesn't need the fantasies of Relativity for to be fun.


When you did your PhD in physics, you would have published some original research in peer-reviewed scientific journals. As you will be aware, getting a PhD requires that one makes an original contribution to human knowledge. If you like, you can assume that I have some scores on the board in that respect. How about you? What was your PhD thesis topic? I'm assuming that being as advanced as you are in physics, you must at least have some postgraduate qualifications - at least a Master's degree. Am I right?

Which one of your contributions are related with Relativity? Of course you can have your thesis, but how much will contribute to the advance in science, such is debatable. On the other hand, profiling posters here, such is unacceptable. Here is your word against mine, here is your evidence against mine.
 

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See above, regarding original research. I see we are in agreement. That's good!

Science is not about who wins and who loses, but about contributing with the most accurate knowledge based in PHYSICAL REALITY. We will have lots of agreements and disagreements, no hard feelings but looking towards a better horizon. Hope your intentions are guided that way as well.


Great! Please post some evidence, or at least a theoretical argument, refuting Einstein or Hawking, or whatever. You've had months to do this, and yet, strangely, I've seen nothing from you, yet. Why is that? Are you ever planning on posting ny evidence? You said it was important, remember.

Oh, I see your point of view. You want to make the movie "Theory Wars", where theories against theories will attack one to another.

To your disappointment, a theory is not proved valid or false by using a different theory against it. No, in order to prove the validity of a theory you use evidence. If you want to understand it better, in this discussion we have your numbers, Hollywood movies, computer simulations, and etc... against physical reality presented by me. I showed you that there is no flowing time, then you said "time" in Einstein equations is not physical but coordinates, and I ask, how coordinates cause atomic clocks malfunction in outer space?

I think your ideas are far away from becoming evidence in physical reality. I saw you trying to find ways with the purpose of justify Relativity, but I can assure you such attempts of yours won't work. I told you a scrutiny reveals Relativity as a false theory and you have not presented the evidence of the existence of time, and neither the mechanism acting when a body traveling fast causes its dilatation.

The sad situation for you, is that the answer for these two basic requirements are no found anywhere online, in journals, in Universities and other institutions of science. This is why you have never answered them.


Never mind me. I assume you have, because you have come up with good evidence that shows that relativity and Hawking radiation are bunk, right? Tell me what you did.

Have you ever read papers presented in journals? Lets see, for example:

https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...mich/6b1b1cc7ba87fbb9fc363014e1b4d69909366528

Gain-assisted superluminal light propagation

Einstein's theory of special relativity and the principle of causality imply that the speed of any moving object cannot exceed that of light in a vacuum (c). Nevertheless, there exist various proposals for observing faster-than- c propagation of light pulses, using anomalous dispersion near an absorption line, nonlinear and linear gain lines, or tunnelling barriers.... etc. etc. etc.

This paper presented in year 2000 started showing what Relativity stands for, but later shows other "proposals" obtained from experiments made with light thru gas and so forth.

Here we are in that first step, the one showing what Relativity said WRONG. And I have not finished this part yet. This is just the beginning of showing the invalidity of Relativity by its own doctrines.

Later, will be the ordered presentation of the study of evidence showing the causes of the several phenomena wrongly classified as effects of time, time dilation/dilatation, and similar.

Relativists have spread out their fantasies for 100 years already, what is the rush for showing the sure evidence in a few months?

You know what that was? It was a challenge to you. You keep saying that you can show that relativity is false. So do what you say you can do! Don't try to turn it around on me. I'm not here to do your homework for you.
I already did it: time doesn't exist physically, how hard for you is to understand it?

Relativity is based on a flowing time with his own arrow when is flowing. Look at Hawking diagram, time has its flowing in one way, space is way open, light travels in an allowed path, there is a zone to which we better call it "the limbo". Wow!

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And funny, this diagram is just the top over a similar diagram under which is also a cone. The coordinates presented by Hawking are absurd when you add the other cone at its bottom, this is to see, when you see the full figure. This representation of Hawking is the interpretation of Relativity doctrines.

Are you going to tell me that you are not in agreement with that diagram? Because so far, you agree with Einstein and Hawking even when those two individuals really don't know what they are talking about.

Einstein's theory of the photoelectric effect makes predictions that match the results we get when we do photoelectric experiments. What more do you want?

His theory passed the grade with c minus.

Alfred Nobel stated clearly before he died in 1986 that the prizes given in his name were to contribute for science advance solely with proved works, not for theoretical works. Photoelectric was presented for Nobel Prize since 1910 to 1921-22.

12 years rejection for such a theory. And finally was accepted for Nobel Prize because the members of the Swiss Academy were tired of such lunatic insistence and persistence.


Nothing obliges any scientists to "never go against" relativity -...

Louis Essen: Inventor of the atomic clock and the man responsible for the modern precise measurement of the speed of light. At first he suffered harsh criticism for his new measurements of the speed of light but it was the value adopted by the 12th General Assembly of the Radio-Scientific Union in 1957and in 1983, the 17th Conférence Générale des Poids et Mesures adopted the standard value, 299,792.458 km/s for the speed of light. The atomic clock is the standard of measure throughout the world and without it the GPS system would not be possible. Why is it little known that this winner of multiple awards in physics also published a paper called “The Special Theory of Relativity: A Critical Analysis”? A member of the National Physical Laboratory of the UK from which he retired in 1972 after being quietly warned not to continue his contradiction of Einstein’s theory of relativity. "No one has attempted to refute my arguments, but I was warned that if I persisted I was likely to spoil my career prospects. …the continued acceptance and teaching of relativity hinders the development of a rational extension of electromagnetic theory."

Louis Essen F.R.S., "Relativity and time signals", Wireless World, oct78, p44. ‘Students are told that the theory must be accepted although they cannot expect to understand it. They are encouraged right at the beginning of their careers to forsake science in favor of dogma.’

I guess he was talking about your teachers and about you in this last statement.

I've been waiting for you to inform me about your important new findings for months now. Are you going to tell me about them any time soon? Or are you just going to keep blathering pointlessly about your opinion that you're smarter than the some of the big names in the history of physics?

No, I'm not smarter than those cheap knowledge scientists, I'm WISER than them.

When are you going to actually start discussing the science, rather than trying to put other people down with your pathetic posturing?

Excuse me but, your denial is not giving you any favorable points here.

When I ask you the evidence of physical time then you called it a coordinate, when I ask you how a coordinate can perturb the normal function of an atomic clock, then you want me to explain quantum mechanics... when you don't answer directly the simple questions made to you from my part and from others, then you better start to realize that you are not the right person to defend Relativity theory or just you know the answer but you just don't want to concede with the fact that Relativity is not a theory of science.
 
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To your disappointment, a theory is not proved valid or false by using a different theory against it. No, in order to prove the validity of a theory you use evidence.
Exactly. For example, you could put a very accurate clock on various vehicles (airplanes, spacecraft, space stations, satellites) and in different locations (on balloons, in mineshafts) and see if they consistently measure time differently in a way that is predicted by relativity.

Turns out - they do. Thus, evidence demonstrates that relativity is correct. And the same experiment has been repeated literally hundreds of times with the same result.
 
... repeated literally hundreds of times with the same result.
That is a bit of an understatement. :wink:

Relativity (SR,GR) is one of the most thoroughly-tested theories in the history of science and it has passed with flying colours every time.
 
I am claiming that what you said about time would also be true about distance

Ummm have not heard of any person claiming distance does not exist

Is there such a equipment device which detects distance? Note detects DISTANCE - NOT measures our pre determined distance.

Oh the ol' don't know the answer so ask a question back ploy

Retroreflectors seem to be doing a excellent work in the field of detecting the distance to the Moon with increasing accuracy

Can read about them here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

Extract

Retroreflectors are devices which reflect light back to its source. Five were left at five sites on the Moon by three crews of the Apollo program and two remote landers of the Lunokhod program.
Lunar reflectors have enabled precise measurement of the Earth–Moon distance since 1969 using lunar laser ranging.

More coffee coming up

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I think your ideas are far away from becoming evidence in physical reality. I saw you trying to find ways with the purpose of justify Relativity, but I can assure you such attempts of yours won't work. I told you a scrutiny reveals Relativity as a false theory and you have not presented the evidence of the existence of time, and neither the mechanism acting when a body traveling fast causes its dilatation.
Every time you use a GPS receiver, you are proving that relativity works.
Every time you see gold looking . . . gold colored you are seeing relativity at work.
If you have ever watched a tube TV, you saw relativity at work. (The electron beam is moving at about 30% of the speed of light, and relativistic effects had to be taken into account to get it directable.)

You'd have to deny all of that to believe that relativity doesn't work.
 
Every time you use a GPS receiver, you are proving that relativity works.
Every time you see gold looking . . . gold colored you are seeing relativity at work.
If you have ever watched a tube TV, you saw relativity at work. (The electron beam is moving at about 30% of the speed of light, and relativistic effects had to be taken into account to get it directable.)

You'd have to deny all of that to believe that relativity doesn't work.

I'm not saying that relativity doesn't work , practicably . It does to some extent . Its old thinking upon the Universe .
 
Ummm have not heard of any person claiming distance does not exist
Oh the ol' don't know the answer so ask a question back ploy
I'm trying to get you to see that time is a dimension and that dimensions are difficult to define without using a coordinate system. I can see you are not interested, which is fine. No one will care about this conversation in 100 years anyway, if years exist...;)
 
I'm trying to get you to see that time is a dimension
I looked up dimension and the three dictionaries only gave Hight Width Depth. No mention of TIME

Try it yourself. I have heard TIME as being the 4th dimension but I don't buy it

No one will care about this conversation in 100 years anyway, if years exist

Agree but far shorter than 100 trips around the sun

Still no poster has provided evidence of TIME existing. Much like evidence for god, claims in the millions, brought to the table zilch

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Try it yourself. I have heard TIME as being the 4th dimension but I don't buy it
That is obvious. It has been accepted physics since before you were born.
Still no poster has provided evidence of TIME existing. Much like evidence for god, claims in the millions, brought to the table zilch
That is simply absurd. I would say it was delusional, except I know that you don't believe it.
 
I looked up dimension and the three dictionaries only gave Hight Width Depth. No mention of TIME

Try it yourself. I have heard TIME as being the 4th dimension but I don't buy it



Agree but far shorter than 100 trips around the sun

Still no poster has provided evidence of TIME existing. Much like evidence for god, claims in the millions, brought to the table zilch

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What do you regard as evidence that length "exists"?

Let's see what you come up with, and then we can see what analogous evidence for the "existence" of time might be.
 
That is simply absurd. I would say it was delusional, except I know that you don't believe it.

If you have read any of the refences provided there are many who are toying with TIME not existing

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