Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
I thought about responding to each point, but after so long, why bother?
My last hiatus should speak for itself.
George Floyd trial,could you make a case for the defendant not being guilty of the charges?
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My last hiatus should speak for itself.
Why indeed?
Clearly you found some irony somewhere. I could ask where, but why bother?
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Oh, something about the relative amount of time various people have to devote to stuff.
There are saturating levels of systemic racism in the US, which have to be taken into account when attempting to explain almost every significant feature of the culture and politics of the country as well as the daily life of a majority of its citizens.
For a comparatively light but clear demonstration of that saturation, we have this:
It is what it is, and what it is is something that white people think black people should take into account when they name their children - or go to the doctor, buy a car, rent or buy a house, apply for a job, apply for a loan, walk to the store to pick of a quart of milk and some Skittles, browse the toy aisle at the local big box, help their kids with their homework, drive through a suburban neighborhood, talk to their friends on the public sidewalk in front of their home, and so forth.
All those things involve systemic racism, in the US.
All of the major real problems of the US involve systemic racism to a significant degree - often a predominant degree (such as in the election of Trump to the Presidency, the political dominance of the Republican Party, the sorry state of medical care and public health, the huge influence of gun control as a political issue, the stagnation of the economy under growing income and wealth inequality, the degradation of agriculture, the degradation and corruption of public infrastructure, and so forth.).
For example: You have enough time to stay current with every wingnut meme and talking point that bubbles up out of the Republican fever swamp. That doesn't explain your dedication to posting them here, though.
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
What explains your dedication to your "the sky is falling" trope?
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Since I haven't posted here for the last two and a half months, your only source for that claim can only be your own fevered imagination.
Dunno. Memory, not mindreading, is the liberal superpower.
My first guess is sincere enthrallment by the rightwing authoritarian media world of Republican Party (fascist) historical myth-making. How else could anyone come to believe that systemic racism is rare in the US? The floodroll of racial disparities in the Floyd and Covid responses alone (where "impartiality" is measured by one's willingness to bothside everything including physical reality) - - - -
We - the liberal fringe - did try to warn folks. Even the lazy and undermotivated such as myself can recall posting dozens - maybe hundreds - of repetitions of the need for insistence and dogged argument: Trump=Republican, Republican=Trump. Burn the lifeboats. If they succeed in rewriting history as they did with Reagan and the Bush family dynasty we'll be set up for yet another disaster - a worse fall, from a lower place.
There was some hope, even after the Biden nomination - lots of the wingies went quiet after the Biden certification, only returning as the propaganda effort to separate Trump from their wellspring of talking points gained enough purchase to allow them breathing room. But they have been coming back into view - the underfinanced and media-fought liberal warnings of the threat posed by their agenda are losing, in other words, and their core need for the security of being on the winning side is being met; the public discussion remains a safe space for them.
Have you ever posted anything here except the Hannity feed?
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
No idea what that little rant has to do with anything I've said, even prior to my 2 1/2 month hiatus.
I don't watch/listen to/read Hannity. So again, that's all just your own fevered imagination.
Considering that most conservatives seem to be feeding from the same garbage trough, you’re likely parroting Hannity regardless of your asserted lack of familiarity with the Fox hack.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Again, that would be purely speculative on your part. If that's all you have, you're attacking a straw man.
Based on an analysis of your posting history, and the rhetoric coming from most conservatives, it's not a matter of speculation Mr. Straw.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
Considering you haven't been able to follow most of what I've told you, I can safely assure you, it is speculation. Not that you'll be able to follow that either. C'est la vie.
The only thing you’ve told me lately is that you don’t parrot Hannity, yet your posting history highlights the similarities in your philosophies. Not hard to follow at all.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
See, you can't even read simple English. I said I don't watch/listen to/read Hannity. As such, how would I even know if I coincidentally agreed with him?
Like progressives, conservatives also share some basic tenets. Sorry if that's news to you.
Sounds like you're just a bigot, trying to play the guilt by association game.
Because people who have been exposed to the views of both Hannity and yourself have told you so. If you want to verify it for yourself, go expose yourself to Hannity, in any language you prefer.
I already acknowledged that fact when I noted that people of your ilk tend to feed at the same informational slop trough.
Well if Hannity has reason to feel guilt over his basic tenets, and you coincidentally share them, then perceived bigots like me are justified in associating your guilt with his.
Vociferous
Valued Senior Member
And that would be a case where the onus is on you to demonstrate your own claim, not on me to do your homework for you.
Except you just acknowledged that I don't get my information from that source. "People of your ilk" is literally the language of a bigot.
Who said anyone had to feel guilty for you to make the guilt by association fallacy? You disparaging someone doesn't have anything to do with what they think of themselves. If your own self-image is tied to what others think of you, I can assure you, it doesn't have to be.
WillNever
Valued Senior Member
Lot of uninteresting posturing garbage going on above.
To the answer the original question of this thread: you could have made a case for the defendant not being guilty, but it would be a very bad case. A jury of Derek Chauvin's peers agreed, and now the asshole is going to spend up to around two decades in prison. So yeah; suck it.
To the answer the original question of this thread: you could have made a case for the defendant not being guilty, but it would be a very bad case. A jury of Derek Chauvin's peers agreed, and now the asshole is going to spend up to around two decades in prison. So yeah; suck it.
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
I think we had an intelligent response up until the last sentence. Oh well.
WillNever
Valued Senior Member
Quit looking for things to disagree over. Get over it and grow up.
