Black holes do not exist

[Write4U]

Back to OP .

A singularity , being physical , would also have a compressed magnetic field , so that No magnetic field exists beyond this singularity , its self . In otherwords black-holes would have No magnetic field at all .

Hence since " black-hole " have a magnetic field that is expansive , this not a black-hole we are looking at in your post#

Are magnetic fields subject to gravity? Where does it say that?

 

[river]

Physics emerge from mathematical patterns.

The Physics was always there . Hence the mathematical patterns .

A quark is not a physical object, it is a quantum value but cannot exist by itself , i.e. it is not physical in essence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark

Yet the Quantum makes up physical objects , hence it is physical .

 

[river]

river said: ↑
Back to OP .

A singularity , being physical , would also have a compressed magnetic field , so that No magnetic field exists beyond this singularity , its self . In otherwords black-holes would have No magnetic field at all .

Hence since " black-hole " have a magnetic field that is expansive , this not a black-hole we are looking at in your post#288

Are magnetic fields subject to gravity? Where does it say that?

It doesn't but it should . Without the physical , magnetic fields would not exist . So a singularity would also have minute magnetic field , not an expansive magnetic field .

 

[Write4U]

The Physics was always there . Hence the mathematical patterns .



Yet the Quantum makes up physical objects , hence it is physical .

No, a quantum of energy is a mathematical value but not yet physical.

"Energy is a physical quantity that follows precise natural laws."

(note quantity is not an object. it is a mathematical measurement, a variable pattern)

Teaching about the nature of energy is supported by 8 key concepts:

1.1 Energy is a quantity that is transferred from system to system. Energy is the ability of a system to do work. A system has done work if it has exerted a force on another system over some distance. When this happens, energy is transferred from one system to another. At least some of the energy is also transformed from one type into another during this process. One can keep track of how much energy transfers into or out of a system.

There are 7 more fundamental concepts. See them all...

https://cleanet.org/clean/literacy/energy1.html#

 

[river]

No, a quantum of energy is a mathematical value but not yet physical.

"Energy is a physical quantity that follows precise natural laws."

(note quantity is not an object. it is a mathematical measurement, a variable pattern)

Teaching about the nature of energy is supported by 8 key concepts: https://cleanet.org/clean/literacy/energy1.html#

Yet a quantum particle . A quanta of energy is light .

 

[Write4U]

It doesn't but it should . Without the physical , magnetic fields would not exist . So a singularity would also have minute magnetic field , not an expansive magnetic field .

Woohhh.. wait a minute. Without the physical "gravity" would not exist. Apparently magnetic fields can exist in spite of physical gravity.

 

[river]

river said: ↑
It doesn't but it should . Without the physical , magnetic fields would not exist . So a singularity would also have minute magnetic field , not an expansive magnetic field .

Woohhh.. wait a minute. Without the physical "gravity" would not exist. Apparently magnetic fields can exist in spite of physical gravity.

But not in spite of the size of the physical object . The magnetic field is compressed as well as the physical object .

 

[Write4U]

Yet a quantum particle .

Is computronium a particle?

Computronium

Relevance to Friendly AI

In a thought experiment similar to the Paperclip maximizer, if an artificial general intelligence has a terminal value (end-goal) which to make a pure mathematical calculation like solving the Riemann Hypothesis, it would convert all available mass to computronium (the most efficient possible computer processors).

In fact, a similar outcome would also apply to many other goals: So long as greater optimization power can be boosted with more computing power, and so long as dedication of resources to creating computronium does not detract from the goal (e.g., by taking up matter, time, or effort that can better be used in other ways), computronium may be valuable to attaining the goal.

A purely mathematical goal, like proving the Riemann Hypothesis, is completely focused on computation and so most directly illustrates the concept.

Theories that valorize intelligence as such (such as that of Hugo de Garis [2005], or Eliezer Yudkowsky before 2001) may consider the conversion of all matter to computronium (running an AGI) to be a positive development, as this would provide the most powerful possible infrastructure for intelligence.

https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/computronium

Or semi-intelligence.

 

[Write4U]

But not in spite of the size of the physical object . The magnetic field is compressed as well as the physical object .

Example?

 

[river]

river said: ↑
But not in spite of the size of the physical object . The magnetic field is compressed as well as the physical object .

Example?

I can't there has been no research into this . But All Magnetic Fields have a Physical base . Galaxies , Stars , the macro and micro of this Universe , the Physical . The larger the object with a magnetic field , the larger the magnetic field expanse becomes .

 

[Write4U]

The larger the object with a magnetic field , the larger the magnetic field expanse becomes

Yes, but we are not talking about the object, we are talking about a magnetic field.

Is magnetism an expression of energy?

Magnetic Potential Energy

A magnetic dipole moment in a magnetic field will possess potential energy which depends upon its orientation with respect to the magnetic field. Since magnetic sources are inherently dipole sources which can be visualized as a current loop with current I and area A, the energy is usually expressed in terms of the magnetic dipole moment:

where

The energy is expressed as a scalar product, and implies that the energy is lowest when the magnetic moment is aligned with the magnetic field. The difference in energy between aligned and anti-aligned is

where ΔU = 2μB
The expression for magnetic potential energy can be developed from the expression for the magnetic torque on a current loop.

These relationships for a finite current loop extend to the magnetic dipoles of electron orbits and to the intrinsic magnetic moments associated with electron spin and nuclear spin.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magpot.html

 

[river]

Yes, but we are not talking about the object, we are talking about a magnetic field.

Is magnetism an expression of energy?

Magnetic Potential Energy

where

where ΔU = 2μB
The expression for magnetic potential energy can be developed from the expression for the magnetic torque on a current loop.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magpot.html

In the end Write4U we are talking about the magnetic field and its essence .

 

[Write4U]

And it's essence is a mathematical value, which interacts with other mathematical values.

 

[river]

Write4U , lets go back to the chaos theory .

In the chaos theory , there is both chaos and order , patterns and the like . I agree . But Without order nothing would exist . Hence Galaxies etc. . Would not exist without order and therefore exist within that order are patterns . I expressed that in My Cosmology , or some other thread where it has has been locked .

This order is not because of mathematics . The patterens are not because of mathematics but because of the Natures of the physical . Chaos theory is not in empty space , devoid of any physical object . For the theory to make any sense to anybody physical objects are the essence of chaos theory .

Chaos is the creativity of the Universe , Order ( periodic table , matter , is order ) is the Stability of the Universe .

 

[Write4U]

Write4U , lets go back to the chaos theory .

In the chaos theory , there is both chaos and order , patterns and the like. I agree. But Without order nothing would exist . Hence Galaxies etc. Would not exist without order and therefore exist within that order are patterns .

I agree.

This order is not because of mathematics.

I disagree. The ordering occurs via certain fundamental universal mathematical regularities (algorithms).

The patterns are not because of mathematics but because of the Natures of the physical.

Yes, the mathematical nature of the physical orderings.

Chaos theory is not in empty space , devoid of any physical object . For the theory to make any sense to anybody physical objects are the essence of chaos theory . Chaos Theory is an abstraction of natural orderly phenomena and the way physical interactions occur.

Chaos is the creativity of the Universe , Order ( periodic table , matter , is order ) is the Stability of the Universe .

I agree, you have just identified the mathematical regularities of the nature of the Universe, including the regularities of quantum patterns that constitute matter.

What is matter theory?

The kinetic theory of matter (particle theory) says that all matter consists of many, very small particles which are constantly moving or in a continual state of motion. The degree to which the particles move is determined by the amount of energy they have and their relationship to other particles. Nov 13, 2000

IOW, it is the mathematical relationship of dynamic particles that create orderly patterns. Without order there is only chaos.

 

[river]

This order is not because of mathematics.

I disagree. The ordering occurs via certain fundamental universal mathematical regularities (algorithms).

So what ! . Which proves what ? , Exactly ?

 

[river]

What is matter theory?

The kinetic theory of matter (particle theory) says that all matter consists of many, very small particles which are constantly moving or in a continual state of motion. The degree to which the particles move is determined by the amount of energy they have and their relationship to other particles. Nov 13, 2000

Incomplete .

It doesn't explain matter , and why matter exists , in the first place .

 

[Write4U]

So what ! . Which proves what ? , Exactly ?

Any order in the universe is of a mathematical nature. Pure matter without order IS chaos.. Order is always of a mathematical nature.
Order is not matter, order is an abstract concept.

It doesn't explain matter , and why matter exists , in the first place.

Pure proto-matter is quantum plasma which consist of unordered fields of quantum values . It is when pattern combinations of these values emerge from the chaotic field, that physical matter is created with measurable mathematical properties.
But even then, the emergent matter patterns still must obey the mathematical rules which ordered them in the first place.
Matter behaves predictably the way it does because of its inherent mathematical essence that is required for pattern formation, which expressed in observable physical reality[/quote]

 

[river]

river said: ↑
So what ! . Which proves what ? , Exactly ?

Any order in the universe is of a mathematical nature. Pure matter without order IS chaos.. Order is always of a mathematical nature.
Order is not matter, order is an abstract concept .

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Wrong . Any order is physically based .

 

[river]

It doesn't explain matter , and why matter exists , in the first place.

Pure proto-matter is quantum plasma which consist of unordered fields of quantum values . It is when pattern combinations of these values emerge from the chaotic field, that physical matter is created with measurable mathematical properties.
But even then, the emergent matter patterns still must obey the mathematical rules which ordered them in the first place.
Matter behaves predictably the way it does because of its inherent mathematical essence that is required for pattern formation, which expressed in observable physical reality

Why does this pattern exist ?