UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Dywyddyr said:
Just a note: USAF Regulation 200-2 dates from 1954 and has been superseded a number of times.
The last version that mentions UFOs appears to be the 2008 version of AFI 10-206 which simply states "Unidentified Flying Objects" with no definition (later revisions of that document leave out any reference to "UFOs").
The last Air Force Reg I can find that gives a definition of UFO is 80-17 (from 1966) which simply states: Unidentified Flying Objects. Any aerial phenomenon or object which is unknown or appears out of the ordinary to the observer.
I.e. there seems, to be no USAF definition of UFO at the moment, and the last one used doesn't support MR's "definition".
He got it wrong again...
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Ahhh, the voice of reason, back again!!! :D Hya! welcome back!
 
Magical Realist said:
"which cannot be identified as a familiar object."
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Dywyddyr said:
The last Air Force Reg I can find that gives a definition of UFO is 80-17 (from 1966) which simply states: Unidentified Flying Objects. Any aerial phenomenon or object which is unknown or appears out of the ordinary to the observer.
I.e. there seems, to be no USAF definition of UFO at the moment, and the last one used doesn't support MR's "definition".
He got it wrong again...
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DaveC426913 said:
Indeed.

Doesn't mean it isn't a familiar object, just not recognizable as such, in those specific conditions.
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Cannot be identified as one, meaning it isn't one since familiar objects can be identified as such. Like metallic flying discs or 40 ft long tic tacs.
 
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Magical Realist said:
Cannot be identified as one, meaning it isn't one since familiar objects can be identified as such. Like metallic flying discs or 40 ft long tic tacs.
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Familiar objects - particularly flying ones - are frequently not immediately identifiable, and often only reveal their mundane nature with further observation and analysis.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Familiar objects - particularly flying ones - are frequently not immediately identifiable, and often only reveal their mundane nature with further observation and analysis.
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Then that would make it an IFO--an identified flying object. UFO's are other than those. They cannot be identified as ANY familiar object, even after analysis of all the evidence.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Familiar objects - particularly flying ones - are frequently not immediately identifiable, and often only reveal their mundane nature with further observation and analysis.
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Magical Realist said:
Then that would make it an IFO--an identified flying object. UFO's are other than those. They cannot be identified as ANY familiar object, even after analysis of all the evidence.
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No, not at all. Any "familiar" well known object can obviously, be either misidentified or not identified at all, depending on many variables. Dave is spot on.
UFO's are unidentified. Many of those unidentified objects have later after being investigated, been identified as some mundane phenomena...then they become identified. Those that remain unidentified, as per how the word is defined, remain just that....UNIDENTIFIED.
 
Magical Realist said:
Then that would make it an IFO--an identified flying object. UFO's are other than those.
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There is a point where many objects have been seen but not identified. But then, with further observation and analysis, get identified. So, what was a UFO becomes an IFO. This happens all the time.

Nevertheless, there is an interlude in there where things that really are mundane objects, start out as UFOs.

And sometimes that further observation doesn't happen. So mundane objects can stay unidentified indefinitely.

The long and the short of it is the category of UFO implicitly includes objects that are mundane, whether or not their nature is identified.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
There is a point where many objects have been seen but not identified. But then, with further observation and analysis, get identified. So, what was a UFO becomes an IFO. This happens all the time.

Nevertheless, there is an interlude in there where things that really are mundane objects, start out as UFOs.

And sometimes that further observation doesn't happen. So mundane objects can stay unidentified indefinitely.
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If they aren't identified, then they aren't mundane objects period. A UFO remains a mystery even after all attempts of identification have been made. Here's a more thorough definition of UFO by J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer who spent years studying the phenomenon:

"The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."
 
Magical Realist said:
If they aren't identified, then they aren't mundane objects period.
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False.

Magical Realist said:
A UFO remains a mystery even after all attempts of identification have been made. Here's a more thorough definition of UFO by J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer who spent years studying the phenomenon:

"The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."
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Yes. Which certainly does not exclude mundane objects.
 
Magical Realist said:
Yes it does. The word UFO by definition excludes IFOs or mundane objects.
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An object that has not been identified yet may get classified as a UFO.
It may be identified, after further investigation, as a plane.
But before it was identified as a mundane object, it was classified as a UFO.

Read your definition again:

"Anything that relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be identified as a familiar object."

That status can change.
 
But before it was identified as a mundane object, it was classified as a UFO.
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Both definitions say a UFO cannot be identified at all as a mundane object. Not now nor later on. It remains unidentified, meaning we can't say what it is. Hence the name UFO.
 
Magical Realist said:
Both definitions say a UFO cannot be identified at all as a mundane object. Not now nor later on. It remains unidentified, meaning we can't say what it is. Hence the name UFO.
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Just because it can't be identified as a mundane object doesn't mean it is not a mundane object.

And - more to the point - it certainly doesn't mean it must be an exotic object.
 
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