Is God Rational?

Is it rational to be religious even though you may have doubt in your faith? On the flip side, is it rational to be atheist if you have a feeling there may be something to religion? Are you ever being totally honest?
 
mmatt9876 said:
Is it rational to be religious even though you may have doubt in your faith? On the flip side, is it rational to be atheist if you have a feeling there may be something to religion? Are you ever being totally honest?
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There are rational reasons to be religious. If it prevents you from murdering people. If you benefit from the church in some way. If your family would disown you and that's more important than your personal beliefs...
I happen to think atheism is rational as long as there is no convincing arguments otherwise.
 
spidergoat said:
There are rational reasons to be religious. If it prevents you from murdering people. If you benefit from the church in some way. If your family would disown you and that's more important than your personal beliefs...
I happen to think atheism is rational as long as there is no convincing arguments otherwise.
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IMO, morality is rational, regardless of belief system (secular). Ultimately, morality is a symbiotic survival mechanism in a predatory world.
 
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Write4U said:
This is typical apologetics.
God is rational and omnipotent but he created an irrational world?

I submit God is an irrational being in a rational world.....:?
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Can agree if god as an irrational being who somehow
can have influence on a rational world.
For example, through ''Butterfly effect'' of quantum fluctuations.
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socratus said:
Can agree if god as an irrational being who somehow
can have influence on a rational world.
For example, through ''Butterfly effect'' of quantum fluctuations.
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Sure, religions are perfect examples. But it is never God that has the influence. It's always a human who speaks for God or as an observer of God, who exerts the influence. And that is highly irrational.

The quantum stuff is perfectly rational. Everything in nature is mathematically rational .....:rolleyes:

............ Gods aren't, they are Tulpas.
Tulpa is a concept in mysticism and the paranormal of a being or object which is created through spiritual or mental powers. It was adapted by 20th century theosophists from Tibetan sprul-pa which means "emanation" or "manifestation".
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Wikipedia
 
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spidergoat said:
Strong disagree.
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If everything acts in accordance with a reasonable framework, isn’t everything essentially reasonable or rational? Perceived irrationality can be a result of reasonable action. Idiocy, like anything else, can be seen as an act of reason by the universal whole.
 
Write4U said:
The quantum stuff is perfectly rational. Everything in nature is mathematically rational .... :rolleyes:.
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Sorry.
Mathematics uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
For example:
the circumference of the circle is described by 2πr
in which π is an irrational number.
And the quantum stuff also uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
Doesn't it mean there are two real words: Rational and Irrational
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socratus said:
Sorry.
Mathematics uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
For example:
the circumference of the circle is described by 2πr
in which π is an irrational number.
And the quantum stuff also uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
Doesn't it mean there are two real words: Rational and Irrational
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Except that nature does not use, nor describe numbers at all. It uses "relative values" which are always rational.
 
mmatt9876 said:
Thanks for the info on atheism guys! I have a lot to think about, reread, and consider.
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For a very handy and quick reference of the various aspects of OT, NT, Quran, Book of Mormon scripture:
  1. Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
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https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
 
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mmatt9876 said:
Atheism or Agnosticism is beginning to make more sense to me.
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IMO, all three perspectives seek the same thing on a philosophical level as what science seeks on a physical level.
An explanation for the existence of the universe.

Therefore I believe that each tentative perspective explanation cannot contain falsehoods or extraordinary speculation, such as an assumption that gods are motivated beings and can act against natural law.

Motivation is not a requirement for universal functions. Therefore, "praying to a god is waste of time".
If there is a god, IT is not emotionally involved with the workings of the universe.
Whatever force you can imagine, it must be an implaccable stochastic function, neither good nor bad, but totally devoid of emotion.

And it has been proven that a motivated director is not required because the universe itself provides geometric and energetic mathematical media (fields), functioning independently from any human perspective. That's how human came to symbolize the relative values and functions of natural expressions and patterns with human mathematics in the first place.

I am an atheist because I see no need for a god. Nature is our god, if we need a metaphysical philosophic concept of Universal Potential.

One of the first Nordic gods was Thor an unseen actor who would make loud noises, throw fire from the sky and then throw water as insult upon injury to all earthly beings.
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Indra, the Indian/ Hindu god of thunder.
Polytheistic peoples of many cultures have postulated a thunder god, the personification or source of the forces of thunder and lightning; a lightning god does not have a typical depiction, and will vary based on the culture.
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In many cultures, the thunder god is frequently known as the chief or king of the gods, e.g. Indra in Hinduism, Zeus in Greek mythology, and Perun in ancient Slavicreligion; or a close relation thereof, e.g. Thor, son of Odin, in Norse mythology. This is also true of Shango in Yoruba religion and in the syncretic religions of the African Diaspora, such as Santería (Cuba, Puerto Rico, United States) and Candomblé (Brazil).
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Thor became "Thunder and Lightning" a weather phenomenon. No motivated god, just mathematical patterns of atmospheric forces which produced thunder and lightning and rain then, the same as it does now.

All gods have been replaced by science, except the one god which is completely undefined and therefore cannot be proven not to exist.
Understanding rests on knowledge of the self-referential mathematical universe, not on belief that an unseen god can make something happen that people cannot do....:eek:
 
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Planck surmised that the origin was an intelligent spirit. It is comforting to think that an intelligent mind is out there or in here.
 
candy said:
Planck surmised that the origin was an intelligent spirit. It is comforting to think that an intelligent mind is out there or in here.
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You want to be an ant in an ant-farm? It has to be a personal god?
You would not be satisfied with a pseudo-intelligence out there so we can make pure bio-intelligent sense of it in here?
 
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In my religion we believe that omniscience the angel of light was sent from Heaven to earth in order to assure God was not ignorant of human suffering.
 
kx000 said:
In my religion we believe that omniscience the angel of light was sent from Heaven to earth in order to assure God was not ignorant of human suffering.
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In my atheist beliefs the angel of light would be equal to physics a form of energy

or the angel of a healthy weight

not ignorant of human suffering???

What happened to omnipotent?

:)
 
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