Evidence that God is real

Michael 345 said:
Look at you

So pessimistic

It has been what 2,000 years, that we know about, so it has to wrap up soon

Lies must have a Do not use when the people become educated stamp surely?

And we are becoming educated right?

So can't be to much longer ;)

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Who is this " we " that are becoming educated about the reality of god ?

North America , Europe , Middle East , Asia , Austrialia , who ?
 
Quantum Quack said:
It could be argued that it is the modern world's serious disconnect with nature/environment etc and their own bodies that puts oil on that slippery slope...
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Perhaps it is the modern world's connection to nature and the knowledge (science) of the
environment that is causing the slippery slope along which many gods slide into obscurity.

Most gods represent natural functions, natural equations; Zeus = Oceans, Ra = sun, Thor = thunderstorms. In proper context those were true gods, pseudo-intelligent causalities of mathematical patterns, natural expressions. All expressions in the form of natural wave functions.

Then there is God and the equation becomes very complicated; God = ??? ~~The Pilot Wave?~~
 
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river said:
god is a slippery grasp nowadays .

But to the ancient peoples all over the world , it was a fact .
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Some of them. Probably not a majority, except maybe among agricultural folk living in towns.
And not the Abrahamic deity.
river said:
Who is this " we " that are becoming educated about the reality of god ?
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The people converted by the Christian and Muslim missionary waves.
 
Quantum Quack said:
It could be argued that it is the modern world's serious disconnect with nature/environment etc and their own bodies that puts oil on that slippery slope...
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It could be. But I'll bet just as many theists as atheists are disconnected. And I'll bet just as many atheists as theists are in-tune.

IOW, getting connected to nature is no more a path to God than anything else.

Stare up into the sky at night, and you will marvel at the elegance and simplicity of the physics of planetary motion.

Walk in the woods and you will delight in the wonders of evolution by natural selection.

Examine a river bed and you will be awed by the sheer might of geologic forces, turning the land over and folding it like taffy.
 
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Sorry, we are off-track again.

We were just talking amongst ourselves while the theists in the thread collect their notes and present us with this preponderance of evidence that will oblige us to acknowledge a god as the force behind our world.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Sorry, we are off-track again.

We were just talking amongst ourselves while the theists in the thread collect their notes and present us with this preponderance of evidence that will oblige us to acknowledge a god as the force behind our world.
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After some 2500 years, are there more evidentiary notes coming?

I thought they were all contained in scripture, the Word of God as revealed to only a very few "witnesses", some who lived for centuries.

Obviously modern humans were preceded by a race far superior in size, strength, longevity, knowledge far beyond the understanding of us mere modern mortals.
 
Write4U said:
knowledge far beyond the understanding of us mere modern mortals.
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They were smart enough not to fill our oceans with plastic killing of our fish resources.
They were smart enough to avoid filling our atmosphere with CO2 and causing climate change.
They were smart enough to keep their wars local and not threaten to wipe the entire race of the globe.
But they were not smart enough to prevent people becoming smart enough to do the above.... :)
btw you really are fixated on a certain brand of religion. You know that Gods have always featured in human thoughts and always will. Even here among the atheists God seems to play a role constantly.
No evidence is superior, to that which is self evident... (no evidence needed)
 
Quantum Quack said:
They were smart enough not to fill our oceans with plastic killing of our fish resources.
They were smart enough to avoid filling our atmosphere with CO2 and causing climate change.
They were smart enough to keep their wars local and not threaten to wipe the entire race of the globe.
But they were not smart enough to prevent people becoming smart enough to do the above.... :)
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And exactly how many people were there? And how did they manage to live for centuries?
btw you really are fixated on a certain brand of religion. You know that Gods have always featured in human thoughts and always will. Even here among the atheists God seems to play a role constantly.
No evidence is superior, to that which is self evident... (no evidence needed)
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I believe I have explained the emergence of gods in the hominid mind a long time ago.

And I'm sorry to say this but you have absolutely no standing in judging my "viewpoint" on religion. Until you can define God you have no baseline against which to compare.

Trust me, my viewpoints on the probability of possible Gods is wide and surprisingly quite sophisticated, and primarily objective.

I have defined my concept of the existence of a universal regulating function; evolution in accordance with certain speudo-intelligent mathematical spacetime values and functions.
That's is a doable implacable natural metaphysical mathematical pattern, IMO.
Needs no worship though..:)

What is your definition? Does your God require worship or just respect, as we have respect for "mother" nature? In the end, what is the difference?
 
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Quantum Quack said:
But they were not smart enough to prevent people becoming smart enough to do the above.... :)
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And that proves God? If this was "intentional"? Then; By whom? Then; God?
After all; He confounded the people's language.

Personally, I'd rather deal with a Kraken than a "confounded citizenry".......:(

IMO, this means that whereas humans have the ability to disturb the mathematics of the earth's bio-sphere and impact on the natural consequences, it is imperative that the laws of nature be respected. And being thus "confounded", that makes the collective human mind insane.
Blame it on God or Probability?
 
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Write4U said:
And that proves God? If this was "intentional"? Then; By whom? Then; God?
After all; He confounded the people's language.

Personally, I'd rather deal with a Kraken than a "confounded citizenry".......:(

IMO, this means that whereas humans have the ability to disturb the mathematics of the earth's bio-sphere and impact on the natural consequences, it is imperative that the laws of nature be respected. And being thus "confounded", that makes the collective human mind insane.
Blame it on God or Probability?
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Perhaps you can explain in Mathematics the term Wisdom? :)
 
Quantum Quack said:
Perhaps you can explain in Mathematics the term Wisdom? :)
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An evolving emergent quality derived from consistency of certain universal mathematical values and functions.
Is a flower wise to use the sunlight for photosynthesis? Is it wise for a flower to us the Fibonacci sequence in its petal count, because it is an emergent efficient growth and radiation collection pattern?
The "wisdom pattern" comes from surviving "natural selection" a probabilistic mechanism.
 
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Quantum Quack said:
They were smart enough not to fill our oceans with plastic killing of our fish resources.
They were smart enough to avoid filling our atmosphere with CO2 and causing climate change.
They were smart enough to keep their wars local and not threaten to wipe the entire race of the globe.
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What utter bilge.
Not having the capability is not the same as being "smart enough to not do it".
 
DaveC426913 said:
Sorry, we are off-track again.

We were just talking amongst ourselves while the theists in the thread collect their notes and present us with this preponderance of evidence that will oblige us to acknowledge a god as the force behind our world.
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Who needs to present evidence?
If evidence needed to be presented, there would be no theists.
It is the fool that tries to convince him/herself there is no God. To do that with any measure of delusional success, one has to create and maintain barriers, like pretending (to the point of belief) that for God to “exist”, God has to be a separate, natural, entity.
But the flaw in such silly thinking is that you have simply created an entity to suit your foolishness. And so the merry-go-round continues.

Jan.
 
Jan Ardena said:
Who needs to present evidence?
If evidence needed to be presented, there would be no theists.
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Cool. That's a backwards way of admitting that there is no evidence of God.
It is the fool that tries to convince him/herself there is no God.
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I imagine it takes an even bigger fool to try to convince himself there is a God, given that there is no evidence of such a God.
. . . . like pretending (to the point of belief) that for God to “exist”, God has to be a separate, natural, entity.
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God is a supernatural entity. That's pretty much the definition.
 
Jan Ardena said:
Who needs to present evidence?
If evidence needed to be presented, there would be no theists.
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Which is one reason so many people in so many places have not had a God.
Jan Ardena said:
But the flaw in such silly thinking is that you have simply created an entity to suit your foolishness.
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The theists create their Gods, and tell others. How else can an atheist find out about them?
If their entities seem foolish to you, you are welcome to attempt better.
You have even been invited - explicitly - to do so, right here.
 
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