gamelord:
You are being willfully naive. Women flirt with their eyes and molest people with eyes.
How can you molest somebody with your eyes?
Do you even know what "molest" means?
They present themselves as entitled narcissists who think they own you just because you are male, and so they know you have no dating advantage and thus won't resist.
So, on the one hand you're complaining that women won't give you sex, but on the other hand you're complaining that women are "molesting" you against your will. So which is it: do you want women to hit on you, or not?
If you've ever had a woman just stare at you like they want to eat you and view you as a piece of meat, but at the same time, give a vibe you have no rights, no way to advocate yourself and that must just passively hope they will eventually choose you instead of other competitor males, then you know the double standard is real.
It's amazing how you can discern all this from a woman's glance at you. You don't think that, just maybe, you're overthinking it?
I was never obedient to the incel movement.
If it walks like a duck...
I dont rape and I obey the law, but I guess even that isn't enough for you to be satisfied. Apparently I am supposed to be happy, nice, and polite even while I am sexually frustrated. Polite to the same people who treat me like I'm worthless.
Why would anybody be sexually attracted to you if you come across as sad, angry and impolite?
Again I didn't adopt it, it was thrust on me. Involuntary celibate is an involuntary condition, that is why it is called involuntary celibate.
As Tiassa said, it's one thing to adopt a label, but when that label comes with a whole load of baggage you can't really pretend that you're not buying into all that as well. Especially when you parrot all the talking points.
I don't parrot the rhetoric as my rhetoric is different in many ways.
Not from where I'm standing.
I never did assign all the blame on women.
You only mentioned women there.
Never said I wanted it but like the Renegade TV show such a role was thrust on me.
If you go though life believing you are a victim, that might become all that is possible for you.
Rape is fulfills two conditions: Sex that is against consent and sex that causes disgust.
No. Rape is sex without consent. Disgust is not required.
Women are clearly disgusted by men, this is a fact and not debatable.
It's amazing that the human race hasn't died out, then. I wonder why.
If a guy who is into hot girls, is thrown onto the bed by a hot girl, and she dominates him, it is not rape, because he is not disgusted by hot girls.
Disgust doesn't come into it. The only relevant question we need to ask is: did he consent? If he didn't, it's rape, disgust or no disgust.
Rape is obviously a case of disgust, so it is obvious that women are disgusted by men.
Err... what?
A man forces a women to have sex against her will, and this is evidence that women are disgusted by men?
What's wrong with you?
We live in a world where men are by and large attracted to women, but women are by and large not attracted to men.
Nonsense.
Open up your eyes. We are barely coming out of the dark ages, women have been oppressed by men for so long you can't even see it. The truth is coming out now, that women are not into men, and never were, that is why men always oppressed them into arranged marriages, and promoted cishet culture for so long because they knew of this fact, the secret people don't wish to accept, which is that women by and large are not attracted to men.
It's hard to know where to start with you.
Perhaps we should talk briefly about biology, for starters. Maybe we'll get to patriarchy later.
Women are ones who bear children and historically they have been the ones who have primarily raised them. (This is still true to a large extent.) The biological reality is that a woman who becomes pregnant is burdened with the nine months of pregnancy and the implications that go along with bringing a child into the world who needs care. Men, on the other hand, can spread their seed far and wide. They do not bear the burden of pregnancy and historically they haven't borne most of the burden of child rearing.
The evolutionary result of this (and it is not restricted to human beings) is that males have a natural tendency to sow their wild oats, whereas women tend to be picky with their men. Broadly speaking (and remember, this is purely an evolutionary perspective) women want security and resources from men, while men want sex. The "cost" of bad sex for a man has historically been minimal; there is plenty of other sex to be had. But for women, the cost is potentially much more significant: bad sex can lead to a nine month pregnancy and having to bring up an unwanted child.
What this means is that you ought not to be surprised if women take other things into account apart from the momentary physical pleasure (assuming that is a possibility) in deciding whether or not to have sex with you. It should also not surprise you that many men are interested in only one thing, a lot of the time.
Take away message from this little lesson: it is not that women are not sexually attracted to men. It's that they tend to look beyond that.
These are all broad generalisations, of course, and lots of individuals vary from the mean. In the modern age of contraception, women have far more freedom to sexually act out as men always have. But the evolutionary hard-wiring is still in most of us, not too far below the surface.
One thing that continually strikes me about the "incels" (the young male ones, anyway) is just how naive most of them are about basic human nature. A lot of them are clueless, just like you. They aren't getting sex, and they can't imagine why. So they come up with silly reasons about why all women must hate men. And you're buying that line.
Wow you totally are going on a tangent and clearly what I was actually talking about was over your head completely.
I don't think anything you could say would be over my head.
As Bells said, we've seen plenty others just like you here. You might think you're an original thinker, but to us you're an example of a type we've seen before.
I've read what you've had to say. A lot of it is hopelessly muddled and deluded. I really hope you manage to work it out and snap out of this state you're in before you get much older. But I don't think I'm the person with the patience or the time to provide you with all the education you'll need to realise what's wrong with "incel".
You don't make things easier by thinking you're superior to other people, by the way. You might want to work on that as well. Get some perspective. There are heaps of people who are smarter than you are. (I could say the same about me.) There are clearly plenty of people who have the whole life thing better under control that you do. (I could say the same about me.) You're deluding yourself if you put yourself on a pedestal.
